Mr. Pizza's Hardy Boys Forum

Just a fun hypothetical (I know, I know...) question.

Do your best to pick just 1, 2 or 3. Picking them all isn't as fun. :) To me, at least.

Happy voting and discussing!

Cool! I voted for the last two. ;D

Not Chet or Biff, they'd be too heavy to haul up. :P  Iola's out too, because she's already died once... :'( I like Callie, but not THAT much... I don't know Phil.... I don't really like Belinda :P....You'd have to save Nancy, or else River Heights would be over-run with criminals! ;D so I chose Vanessa, Nancy, and Tony. :)

lol I like your rationale. I chose Callie for Frank (and because I love him...he should be happy), Vanessa for Joe (same reason), and Chet because he's the comic relief most of the time. :)

hypothetical question: But wouldn't Joe be happier with Iola?   :-\ :o

I voted for Biff, Phil, and Tony.  :D I don't really care about Iola, Vanessa, Belinda, Callie, or Nancy.  ::)

Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 21, 2011, 04:15:25 PM
Not Chet or Biff, they'd be too heavy to haul up. :P  Iola's out too, because she's already died once... :'( I like Callie, but not THAT much... I don't know Phil.... I don't really like Belinda :P ....You'd have to save Nancy, or else River Heights would be over-run with criminals! ;D so I chose Vanessa, Nancy, and Tony. :)

I guess you're right about Nancy. I still don't like her. I say, let River Heights be over-run with criminals, for all I care! :D ::)

I was going to go for everyone, except Belinda Conrad (who needs her?), but the poll would only allow three, so I went with Callie, Iola and Nancy.

I started my Hardy Boys obsession with the Casefiles so Iola was dead for most of it. Therefore, I always put Vanessa with Joe.

Good question though....Since she was kind of like his first love, he may want a second chance with her, if he could. Not sure he would totally dump Vanessa for Iola right away....but he might in the long run.

Well, Joe and Iola had been going out for 60 years by the time of the Casefiles, so I'd say Iola has the edge here.

And sorry, but I've never liked these kinds of questions- I had to do this kind of stuff in philosophy class and I didn't care much for that class either. So I'm going with the MacGyver answer - I would pray and trust God will find a way to save them all. :)

Well, I guess that's true...that Iola has the advantage. If Joe thought she was dead and moved on with his life, would he just dump Vanessa for Iola?

And I know you've said you're not into these types of questions but I'm glad you participate anyways. :) Also, I LOVED philosophy class. I think it's super interesting. Mind boggling sometimes...but really thought provoking.

But I would prefer if they were all saved too. ;)

QuoteAnd I know you've said you're not into these types of questions but I'm glad you participate anyways.  Also, I LOVED philosophy class. I think it's super interesting. Mind boggling sometimes...but really thought provoking.

Oh, well- thanks then. :)
The best thing about my philosophy course in college is that we got to read The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis - one of my Christian heroes and favorite authors! That book is not really seemingly deeply theological on the surface- but it definitely gets into great philosopical questions regarding education- which on a deeper level do reveal some theological issues as well.
That book is definitely quite mind-boggling. (along with most all of C.S. Lewis' books.) :) 8)

I picked Nancy (as I'm a Nancy Drew fan), Chet, and Vanessa. Although Nancy would have probably have saved herself anyways...

Ah yes! Another Nancy Drew fan on the forums! And another male, funnily enough. (It seems a number of the females on here don't care much for Nancy Drew- though I think there are at least a few female fans on here though.)

Mac,

That sounds interesting. I honestly can't recall which books we read but I remember liking our discussions. I had a cool professor too. I guess I'm getting too old to remember certain things. Uh oh... :)

Nancy probably could save herself but I wouldn't be crushed if she didn't. OMGosh that's horrible to say!!!

Oh well. :P

Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 22, 2011, 10:37:46 PM
Nancy probably could save herself but I wouldn't be crushed if she didn't. OMGosh that's horrible to say!!!

That is horrible. (But I agree with you)  ;)

Wow- well, I don't think either Frank or Joe would appreciate that sentiment. :o

Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 23, 2011, 08:36:10 AM
That is horrible. (But I agree with you)  ;)

So do I! ;)

Quote from: MacGyver on February 21, 2011, 09:31:15 PM
So I'm going with the MacGyver answer - I would pray and trust God will find a way to save them all. :)

What if the question was: Who would you save? (all people not saved will have to wear clown pants for a month) ;D

Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 23, 2011, 11:28:22 AM
What if the question was: Who would you save? (all people not saved will have to wear clown pants for a month) ;D

LOL! ;D ;)

Then it'd be funnier, but my answer would still be the same. ;)

By the way- I just saw that apparently you can make a new poll in any of the forums- I was thinking that they had to be specifically in the "Polls" forum. I suppose it's good to be able to do that and to place the polls where it's most appropriate though.

Mac,

I have to admit that Nancy isn't all that bad. And if she were a REAL person....well, I would never wish anything bad upon her. :) But you're probably right that Frank nor Joe would like that. So for them, and you, I take it back. Nancy can save herself...and I'd be a little upset for Frank and Joe and Ned and whomever else if she didn't make it.  :)

And I like the idea of clown pants too. :)

Okay- well, I appreciate that, hardygirl847. :) I thank you, the Hardys thank you and certainly Nancy Drew thanks you! ;D

Lol they better like it!!  :P

Speaking of...

Nancy, Iola, and Chet. I was deciding on a guy friend for the HBs, and Chet seems to fit best because he's the most frequently used (or whatever), good comic relief, and Iola and Chet are siblings, so might as well.

Biff was my next choice.

Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 22, 2011, 10:37:46 PM
Nancy probably could save herself but I wouldn't be crushed if she didn't. OMGosh that's horrible to say!!!

Well she wasn't able to save herself in Arson and Old Lace, even when the place was on fire.

And she wasn't able to save herself for 6 months before that... ::)

Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 24, 2011, 08:09:17 PM
And she wasn't able to save herself for 6 months before that... ::)

Hey- that's more stupidity on the part of the writers- you can't blame Nancy Drew for that. She is WAY more competent in the books (and other episodes of the '70s show, for that matter.) Even so, I still enjoy Arson and Old Lace for the dramatic rescue.

LOL me and my sisters always say "AWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!" when Frank goes "Stand on my shoulders, Nancy!" Because he's already tired, but he still has time to be polite and heroic and ADORABLE!!!! ;D

Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 25, 2011, 12:26:15 PM
LOL me and my sisters always say "AWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!" when Frank goes "Stand on my shoulders, Nancy!" Because he's already tired, but he still has time to be polite and heroic and ADORABLE!!!! ;D

Yeah.  ::)

Well, the Nancy in Arson and Old Lace was not Pamela Sue Martin. That's why she wasn't able to escape. Lol But yeah, Frank was very adorable during that rescue. And it encouraged the crazy thought of them being together. My vote is still only for Frank and Nancy to get together if they are Parker and Pamela. That is the only time I've rooted for them.

I didn't see the new Nancy and Parker/Frank at all together. But Joe had a heroic rescue so Frank needed one too.

Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 26, 2011, 08:39:27 PM
Well, the Nancy in Arson and Old Lace was not Pamela Sue Martin. That's why she wasn't able to escape. Lol

Thanks, I was about to say that! PSM saw what was happening with the character earlier on, and that's a big reason why she left.

Like your new avatar, by the way :)

Was the character of Nancy Drew being written to be a bit dumber and more helpless for the times that she appeared with The Hardy Boys? Because even with Janet Louise Johnson's episodes, I don't think that was the case in any episode except for Arson and Old Lace obviously. I thought Pamela Sue Martin's main gripe was that the show was called The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries, yet all of a sudden in Season 2, the format totally changed and she wasn't getting her regular every other episode appearance with a solo Nancy Drew adventure. I'm glad they did the crossover episodes, but they could have done that and still kept the Nancy Drew solo episodes going. I wonder if they just decided that after Season 1, it looked like The Hardy Boys episodes had better ratings than the Nancy Drew ones, so they decided just to focus more on The Hardy Boys and less on Nancy Drew?

Quote from: MacGyver on February 28, 2011, 09:48:41 AM
Was the character of Nancy Drew being written to be a bit dumber and more helpless for the times that she appeared with The Hardy Boys? Because even with Janet Louise Johnson's episodes, I don't think that was the case in any episode except for Arson and Old Lace obviously. I thought Pamela Sue Martin's main gripe was that the show was called The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries, yet all of a sudden in Season 2, the format totally changed and she wasn't getting her regular every other episode appearance with a solo Nancy Drew adventure. I'm glad they did the crossover episodes, but they could have done that and still kept the Nancy Drew solo episodes going. I wonder if they just decided that after Season 1, it looked like The Hardy Boys episodes had better ratings than the Nancy Drew ones, so they decided just to focus more on The Hardy Boys and less on Nancy Drew?

I think so!  ::) At least that's my take on it. ;)

Quote from: MacGyver on February 28, 2011, 09:48:41 AM
Was the character of Nancy Drew being written to be a bit dumber and more helpless for the times that she appeared with The Hardy Boys? Because even with Janet Louise Johnson's episodes, I don't think that was the case in any episode except for Arson and Old Lace obviously. I thought Pamela Sue Martin's main gripe was that the show was called The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries, yet all of a sudden in Season 2, the format totally changed and she wasn't getting her regular every other episode appearance with a solo Nancy Drew adventure. I'm glad they did the crossover episodes, but they could have done that and still kept the Nancy Drew solo episodes going. I wonder if they just decided that after Season 1, it looked like The Hardy Boys episodes had better ratings than the Nancy Drew ones, so they decided just to focus more on The Hardy Boys and less on Nancy Drew?

Basically it. The ratings were down on ND so they focused more on the HBs. (I can see why, too, because they kept making weird choices like changing Ned's character from nerdy to all of a sudden cool, etc. -- but also, the HBs had a good thing going).

My impression is that eventually, PSM/ND felt like a secondary character as opposed to being on par with the HBs. Janet Louise Johnson's ND seemed a bit more helpless and damsel-in-distress-y, or looked it. Specifically, she looked like she was really sensitive or something.

Anyway, whether or not it was diva-ish, PSM left. I remember when I first saw the episodes and heard about it, I thought she was pulling a diva move. There's a lot of heresay, so it's hard to distinguish what kind of attitude was behind it.

Case in point: She left Dynasty after four seasons, right when they were becoming the #1 show in ratings (above Dallas, no less). One of the actresses on the show thought it was a stupid move, that it would greatly affect the show, and why does she have the gall to leave a solid job. But it was because PSM wanted to do other things, and felt that the character had stalled. (Also, she was having a health problem). So I think PSM has always been like that: some actors like staying in roles, others need to constantly do something new. Whether or not it's premature to leave.

Yeah- it's just unfortunate. Perhaps if they could've gotten more consistent with writing for the Nancy Drew episodes (though for the record, I liked George O'Hanlon, Jr. as Ned Nickerson- but Rick Springfield did a great job too.)- and maintained the same actresses for Bess and George (I'm glad they even made an appearance- but this is something that could've been beefed up for both Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys- adding more of their chums and keeping them around on a more regular basis.) - anyway, perhaps they could've kept the Nancy Drew solo episodes going alongside The Hardy Boys episodes and kept the show running longer.
Oh well- that's how some things go. They experimented and tried to keep it alive as long as they could- at least they got 46 good episodes out of it- and I'm glad for what is available anyway.

Quote from: Olivia on February 28, 2011, 08:37:38 AM
Thanks, I was about to say that! PSM saw what was happening with the character earlier on, and that's a big reason why she left.

Like your new avatar, by the way :)

Thanks. I had someone ask me who the "creepy" people were on my avatar pic on ff.net before. lol I guess they don't know about the 70s show. lol

On some level, I can agree with PSM for bailing before it go worse. But on the other hand, she could have helped save her part of the show. Probably not...it's just wishful thinking. I really can't speak too much about the episodes with her by herself because I have yet to watch them. I definitely watched and purchased the DVDs for the HBs. I don't dislike the crossover episodes but it doesn't bother me that ND wasn't in the 3rd season.

Stupid ? alert: Was there a completely different writing and production team for each ND and the HBs?

Not positive, but I'm pretty sure ti was all the same crew. I mean- they weren't two different shows. It was one show with both The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew, so I don't see why they would have had different writers and/or producers. But maybe I'm wrong...

Hey Mac, you're on too!

I didn't think so either...or I guess at some points they could have different crews. But if the writing and everything was so different, then that's what makes me wonder. I'm not saying that ALL of the HB stories were awesome...some really were eh....It just seemed like less effort was made with ND to be consistent etc.

Yeah- I noticed that some threads were being constantly updated- lol. ;D

It's funny because I've heard from other more casual fans that they liked the Nancy Drew episodes better than The Hardy Boys episodes (at least in the first season anyway.) I think you should check them out in any case- The Secret of the Whispering Walls and A Haunting We Will Go are pretty good ones to try.
(Well- I'm sorry- I don't mean to be going on about this- if you don't like Nancy Drew- that's okay- you don't have to watch it. I just tend to be a completist with these things- so I'll wind up watching every single episode of a show that I like- even the "clunker" episodes as some may call them.) But you have to at least acknowledge Nancy Drew's status as an iconic role model and heroine for young girls, especially in the time the character was originally written.

Quote from: MacGyver on March 01, 2011, 01:05:04 AM
Yeah- I noticed that some threads were being constantly updated- lol. ;D

It's funny because I've heard from other more casual fans that they liked the Nancy Drew episodes better than The Hardy Boys episodes (at least in the first season anyway.) I think you should check them out in any case- The Secret of the Whispering Walls and A Haunting We Will Go are pretty good ones to try.
(Well- I'm sorry- I don't mean to be going on about this- if you don't like Nancy Drew- that's okay- you don't have to watch it. I just tend to be a completist with these things- so I'll wind up watching every single episode of a show that I like- even the "clunker" episodes as some may call them.) But you have to at least acknowledge Nancy Drew's status as an iconic role model and heroine for young girls, especially in the time the character was originally written.

Totally acknowledged. Those who love ND, more power to ya. But I just like boys in danger better. :D

Quote from: hardygirl847 on March 13, 2011, 05:09:58 PM
Totally acknowledged. Those who love ND, more power to ya. But I just like boys in danger better. :D

You're not the only one! :)

Glad I'm not alone on that one! :)