Can someone tell me what kind of medical training the Hardys have? I know that from one of the UB's (No. 20 I think.) It states that they are EMT trained through ATAC. But what other training do they have?
According to The Hardy Boys Survival Handbook, Frank and Joe have been through a survival training course and so they are pretty knowledgable on handling emergencies and particularly medical emergencies. In one of the stories, Joe helps Frank battle hypothermia. In another, Frank and Joe make a splint for their pilot (after a crash), and help keep him alive until they can get him to proper medical treatment. In the last story, the help three guys camping in the wild who are trying to "live off the land" and are literally starving. Frank and Joe show them a number of ways to catch fish and small animals like rabbits and squirrels with snares and also point out the many herbs and fruits and such that grow in the wild that are edible.
I'm pretty sure they have both also had CPR training - I think one of the books probably states this. I know they go undercover to work with the River Heights Rescue Squad as Emergency Medical Technicians in A Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Supermystery book Dead on Arrival, so that's another instance where they obviously had EMT training. I would daresay Frank and Joe are pretty well trained in most areas of emergency medicine. I don't think they're going to be performing emergency surgeries or anything, but they know enough to help keep people alive until professional medical help can arrive.
Well in one book I can recall Frank giving Joe CPR, the Joe gives somebody else CPR........
They don't need training! They're the freaking Hardy Boys!
Hahaha- so true. ;D
Quote from: MacGyver on January 25, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
According to The Hardy Boys Survival Handbook, Frank and Joe have been through a survival training course and so they are pretty knowledgable on handling emergencies and particularly medical emergencies. In one of the stories, Joe helps Frank battle hypothermia. In another, Frank and Joe make a splint for their pilot (after a crash), and help keep him alive until they can get him to proper medical treatment. In the last story, the help three guys camping in the wild who are trying to "live off the land" and are literally starving. Frank and Joe show them a number of ways to catch fish and small animals like rabbits and squirrels with snares and also point out the many herbs and fruits and such that grow in the wild that are edible.
I'm pretty sure they have both also had CPR training - I think one of the books probably states this. I know they go undercover to work with the River Heights Rescue Squad as Emergency Medical Technicians in A Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Supermystery book Dead on Arrival, so that's another instance where they obviously had EMT training. I would daresay Frank and Joe are pretty well trained in most areas of emergency medicine. I don't think they're going to be performing emergency surgeries or anything, but they know enough to help keep people alive until professional medical help can arrive.
In
Feeding Frenzy. (Hardy Boys UB No. 20) They had to do a emergency tracheotomy on a girl who they had found that wasn't breathing. Would you call that an emergency surgery or not? They did have to make an incision in her throat to get her breathing! :o 8)
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 26, 2011, 11:33:05 AM
Well in one book I can recall Frank giving Joe CPR, the Joe gives somebody else CPR........
Can you remember what the title of the book was?
Hmmm... It was either Countdown to Terror, River rats, or Dead in the Water... Sorry I don't remember exactly :-\ Those are all (really good) Casefiles BTW
HBUB Fan, have you read any casefiles? :)
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 26, 2011, 08:11:22 PM
Hmmm... It was either Countdown to Terror, River rats, or Dead in the Water... Sorry I don't remember exactly :-\ Those are all (really good) Casefiles BTW
I've read Countdown to Terror and Dead in the Water. (Like them both.) Haven't read River Rats. What's it about and are there any cool parts in it?
River Rats:
"The Hardys have come to Montana to enjoy the challenges of the Big Bison River. Owen Watson runs a river rafting outfit, and Frank and Joe are eager to test thier skill. But their first day out on the fierce white waters turns into a life-and-death sturggle when Owen falls victim to a snipers bullet. Finding out who tried to kill Owen won't be easy. Especially since Joe can't take his eyes off Owen's beautiful daughter. But a wake-up call in the form of a fire bomb brings him back to his senses... And back into battle. It's a war over the environment, and the Hardys are sitting on a powder keg that's ready to explode at any moment!"
I thought i was a good book, some nice cliffhangers. Who's your favorite brother, Frank or Joe?
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 26, 2011, 08:11:22 PM
Hmmm... It was either Countdown to Terror, River rats, or Dead in the Water... Sorry I don't remember exactly :-\ Those are all (really good) Casefiles BTW
HBUB Fan, have you read any casefiles? :)
Yeah. :) Own around (When I last counted) 55 books actually. :) :o
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 26, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
River Rats:
"The Hardys have come to Montana to enjoy the challenges of the Big Bison River. Owen Watson runs a river rafting outfit, and Frank and Joe are eager to test thier skill. But their first day out on the fierce white waters turns into a life-and-death sturggle when Owen falls victim to a snipers bullet. Finding out who tried to kill Owen won't be easy. Especially since Joe can't take his eyes off Owen's beautiful daughter. But a wake-up call in the form of a fire bomb brings him back to his senses... And back into battle. It's a war over the environment, and the Hardys are sitting on a powder keg that's ready to explode at any moment!"
I thought i was a good book, some nice cliffhangers. Who's your favorite brother, Frank or Joe?
I like them both. :)
And you're a UB fan still? Haha I love you!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D Long-distance high-five! :D
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 26, 2011, 09:36:16 PM
And you're a UB fan still? Haha I love you!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D Long-distance high-five! :D
Oh Yeah! Someone else here likes them, too! ;D 8) :)
QuoteIn Feeding Frenzy. (Hardy Boys UB No. 20) They had to do a emergency tracheotomy on a girl who they had found that wasn't breathing. Would you call that an emergency surgery or not? They did have to make an incision in her throat to get her breathing!
Okay- haven't read that one yet. Well, okay then- I guess they do know how to do emergency surgeries! I mean hey- They're The Hardy Boys, for crying out loud! ;D
Quote from: MacGyver on January 26, 2011, 11:25:28 PM
Okay- haven't read that one yet. Well, okay then- I guess they do know how to do emergency surgeries! I mean hey- They're The Hardy Boys, for crying out loud! ;D
Yeah. They can anything they want to, can't they? ;D
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on January 27, 2011, 10:46:52 AM
Yeah. They can anything they want to, can't they? ;D What was The Hardy Boys Survival Handbook about? ??? Is it like The Hardy Boys Detective Handbook?
The Hardy Boys Survival Handbook is a collection of 8 short stories that illustrate how one can use survival techniques to preserve one's life in emergency situations. Frank and Joe first go through a survival training course in the first story and give the reader the contents needed to make a survival kit to carry in one's car or have at the ready at home.
The other stories have Frank and Joe in various emergency situations- Joe helps Frank defeat hypothermia, Frank helps lead a search party to find Joe when he gets lost in the wilderness, Frank and Joe get stuck in the desert and have to survive for a few days with only what they have in their car, Frank and Joe and friends brave a flood and survive while trapped in a flooded house, Frank and Joe and their pilot survive in the jungle for a while when their plane crashes, and in the last story Frank and Joe help three guys who have run out of food in the woods learn how to live off the land, eating herbs and fruits and vegetables and catching fish and small animals for food until they can get rescued.
It's a really neat book with illustrations throughout it, similar to the Wanderer book illustrations. I really enjoy it- I remember first getting it as a kid and going about making a survival kit for the family. :)
Quote from: MacGyver on January 27, 2011, 03:12:12 PM
The Hardy Boys Survival Handbook is a collection of 8 short stories that illustrate how one can use survival techniques to preserve one's life in emergency situations. Frank and Joe first go through a survival training course in the first story and give the reader the contents needed to make a survival kit to carry in one's car or have at the ready at home.
The other stories have Frank and Joe in various emergency situations- Joe helps Frank defeat hypothermia, Frank helps lead a search party to find Joe when he gets lost in the wilderness, Frank and Joe get stuck in the desert and have to survive for a few days with only what they have in their car, Frank and Joe and friends brave a flood and survive while trapped in a flooded house, Frank and Joe and their pilot survive in the jungle for a while when their plane crashes, and in the last story Frank and Joe help three guys who have run out of food in the woods learn how to live off the land, eating herbs and fruits and vegetables and catching fish and small animals for food until they can get rescued.
It's a really neat book with illustrations throughout it, similar to the Wanderer book illustrations. I really enjoy it- I remember first getting it as a kid and going about making a survival kit for the family. :)
Let me guess, it's out of print?
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on January 27, 2011, 03:30:57 PM
Let me guess, it's out of print?
I don't think it is. I have a copy and I think you can find it on eBay or Amazon. ;)
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on January 27, 2011, 05:38:31 PM
I don't think it is. I have a copy and I think you can find it on eBay or Amazon. ;)
I mean, can you find a new copy in the store? Have you read Hardy Boys UB Feeding Frenzy?
Warning: Spoiler to follow! Did you think them having to make a incision in the girl's throat to get her to breathe was a bit graphic for a UB?
Probably not. They didn't describe it with blood or anything. I thought it was pretty tame, LOL like a G rating....
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 27, 2011, 05:57:07 PM
Probably not. They didn't describe it with blood or anything. I thought it was pretty tame, LOL like a G rating....
I thought they were against doing that sort of thing and waiting for the EMTs to come. ??? What do you think made them decide to go through with it? I think it was time. :-\
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on January 27, 2011, 05:56:15 PM
I mean, can you find a new copy in the store? Have you read Hardy Boys UB Feeding Frenzy?
Warning: Spoiler to follow!
Did you think them having to make a incision in the girl's throat to get her to breathe was a bit graphic for a UB?
The Hardy Boys Survival Handbook was released in 1980 and it was only in print till around 1984, although it is extremely hard to find, with the hardcover dustjacket version being one of the scarciest Hardy Boys books ever, since the hardcover was marketed mainly for libraries, and the softcover didn't sell that well either. Collins released a hardcover version in 1980, as well as a softcover version the same year through their Armada imprint, over in the UK that was typeset from scratch so that you had the British spellings (ie. tire = tyre).
As for making an incision for a trachea, it's been years since I took any First Aid, but considering that one of the first rules of First Aid is to make sure the airway is clear, if you can't get a clear airway, then you might have no option but to get something into the person's airway to allow them to breath. Performing a trachea might be taught in Advance First Aid classes, but I don't know for sure..
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on January 27, 2011, 05:56:15 PMWarning: Spoiler to follow!
Did you think them having to make a incision in the girl's throat to get her to breathe was a bit graphic for a UB?
I liked it. I think it was one of the most exciting scenes in the whole series.
Quote from: SDLagent on January 27, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
I liked it. I think it was one of the most exciting scenes in the whole series.
So did I! That was a really intense part in the book, wasn't it?
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on January 27, 2011, 06:42:20 PM
So did I! That was a really intense part in the book, wasn't it?
No. The cover was about the most intense part.
I'm not a UB fan at all but I can admit that was a pretty intense part.
Quote from: SDLagent on January 27, 2011, 06:48:29 PM
I'm not a UB fan at all but I can admit that was a pretty intense part.
Any other intense parts in the casefiles or the UB's that you can think of?
Not in the UB. The only other parts that stand-out in that series are from Wanted.
But in the Casefiles there's quite a few. Obviously, Iola's death in Dead on Target, her "return" in The Lazarus Plot, Joe losing his memory and attacking Frank in Brother Against Brother, the death of Fenton in Endangered Species, and Frank allowing Joe to beat-up a criminal in No Mercy. These are some of the most memorable moments in the series but I also remember some pretty intense scenes in Witness to Murder.
The entire book Dead of Night was pretty intense.
And though The Hardy Boys Survival Handbook is sadly long out of print, I love it and think it's well worth owning. It may be possible to find a copy on Ebay or Amazon or other used bookdealers. I'm glad I got my copy when I did as a kid, but you can still find it now.
Here are a couple of options.
http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&qi=rinJQPpxdFOcneILvFKjM9LDAb0_7635295317_1:19:1050&bq=author%3Dfranklin%2520w%2E%2520dixon%26title%3Dhardy%2520boys%2520handbook
Quote from: MacGyver on January 27, 2011, 07:07:13 PM
The entire book Dead of Night was pretty intense.
I haven't read that one but from what I've heard it is pretty intense.
A Killing in the Market is another book I haven't read but the premise sounds pretty intense.
Beyond the Law, too.
And some to think of it,
Double Exposure has some pretty memorable moments.
QuoteBeyond the Law, too.
And some to think of it, Double Exposure has some pretty memorable moments.
Definitely. Both are great.
A Killing in the Market is well worth the read too- it is actually kinda similar somewhat to the Digest book
Past and Present Danger (#166)
And you definitely need to read
Dead of Night- order it online or check your library. WOW- that one was really great.
Not to mention Fenton Hardy's death in Endangered Species was pretty intense and shocking.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on January 27, 2011, 07:21:42 PM
Not to mention Fenton Hardy's death in Endangered Species was pretty intense and shocking.
Yeah, I mentioned that one along with Frank and Joe showing "
No Mercy" in the next book.
Quote from: SDLagent on January 27, 2011, 07:23:46 PM
Yeah, I mentioned that one along with Frank and Joe showing "No Mercy" in the next book.
Yeah Joe's going all berserk and Frank responding with "Rules? We've got no rules now. It's personal." line.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on January 27, 2011, 07:26:32 PM
Yeah Joe's going all berserk and Frank responding with "Rules? We've got no rules now. It's personal." line.
I know. That was weird! :o Something I never saw coming, that's for sure.
Dude- that line was awesome! Great writing there- very powerful scene. 8)
Quote from: tomswift2002 on January 27, 2011, 07:26:32 PM
Yeah Joe's going all berserk and Frank responding with "Rules? We've got no rules now. It's personal." line.
Exactly.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on January 27, 2011, 07:59:31 PM
I know. That was weird! :o Something I never saw coming, that's for sure.
By weird you mean epic, right?
Also the part in Dead in the Water where Joe and Frank have to go down and share their oxygen tanks with that one guy so they won't blow up the submarine!
It's been so long since I've read that one I'd forgotten that scene- but yeah, definitely a cool and suspenseful moment there.
Working on a Hardy Boys Fanfiction. In it, I have them working as EMT Paramedics on a medical case. Should I go into details about how they got the certification or just leave it up to the readers to decide?
Unless it has significant bearing on the rest of the story, it's probably not really essential to put it in there. I can generally readily accept that Frank and Joe have gotten all the basic medical training they can get and perhaps even some more advanced than one would normally expect for a teenager. (i.e. There is no real suspension of belief for me in that regard so I don't think it will be a big deal either way.) Anyway, that's just my take on it.
Quote from: MacGyver on January 28, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
Unless it has significant bearing on the rest of the story, it's probably not really essential to put it in there. I can generally readily accept that Frank and Joe have gotten all the basic medical training they can get and perhaps even some more advanced than one would normally expect for a teenager. (i.e. There is no real suspension of belief for me in that regard so I don't think it will be a big deal either way.) Anyway, that's just my take on it.
All right. Anyone else?
If the reader can understand the story without reading the scene, cut-it! If it doesn't advance the plot it doesn't belong in the story.
Quote from: SDLagent on January 28, 2011, 11:23:55 PM
If the reader can understand the story without reading the scene, cut-it! If it doesn't advance the plot it doesn't belong in the story.
Yeah. That helps. I've wondered why when I read stuff on Fanfiction.net there's a lot of scenes in some stories that don't make sense in the story. They don't seem to advance the plot and it gets confusing. ???
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on January 29, 2011, 09:39:30 AM
Yeah. That helps. I've wondered why when I read stuff on Fanfiction.net there's a lot of scenes in some stories that don't make sense in the story. They don't seem to advance the plot and it gets confusing. ???
oh no! I hope it's not one of mine! lol But seriously, you can solve that whole issue with one simple sentence. If you feel like people will call you out and wonder how they got that training or whatever....you can weave it in there fairly easily.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on January 29, 2011, 06:18:28 PM
oh no! I hope it's not one of mine! lol But seriously, you can solve that whole issue with one simple sentence. If you feel like people will call you out and wonder how they got that training or whatever....you can weave it in there fairly easily.
No. It's not you! :) How could I solve it with one simple sentence?
lol I hope not! :)
You could say something as simple as...
Using their EMT background/training/knowledge, Frank and Joe saved the girl from the explosion.
That gets the main idea out there as well as giving readers a heads up that they are capable of whatever you are having them do.
I guess it depends on the context of things too. Feel free to PM me to talk about this more.
Also, I tried to PM you about your signature. I just checked Amazon about the new Alex Rider series. It says it's the final mission!!! :( But it comes out a week after the Hardy Boys graphic novel does. I'm soooo excited!!
QuoteIf the reader can understand the story without reading the scene, cut-it! If it doesn't advance the plot it doesn't belong in the story.
Very well said. 8)
Thanks. I remember that from a few books on writing.
As true as that is, I know I've read plenty of books that had unnecessary scenes.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on January 30, 2011, 12:11:40 AM
As true as that is, I know I've read plenty of books that had unnecessary scenes.
Yeah and then it's like, "Why did they put that in there? That made no sense whatsoever!" ??? :-\
Well, sometimes you get into the "necessary evil" territory, where a scene or two might have been thrown in just to appeal to a certain audience or appease a particular expectation or just to lengthen the story to make it fit a required page count, etc. No, it's not really good writing, but I'm sure it happens sometimes- particularly with series books that follow a set formula.
Quote from: MacGyver on January 28, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
I can generally readily accept that Frank and Joe have gotten all the basic medical training they can get and perhaps even some more advanced than one would normally expect for a teenager.
How much medical training does a normal teenager have? ;D
Probably none. But it's possible someone might take a CPR course, particularly if they worked as a lifeguard, which is one job that normal teenagers might have. I guess it just depends really. I guess the point is that Frank and Joe are exceptionally well trained in medicine comparatively speaking.
Quote from: MacGyver on January 31, 2011, 12:59:23 PM
Probably none. But it's possible someone might take a CPR course, particularly if they worked as a lifeguard, which is one job that normal teenagers might have. I guess it just depends really. I guess the point is that Frank and Joe are exceptionally well trained in medicine comparatively speaking.
Well I guess I'm a normal teenager, and I'm CPR certified, and I've taken a few advanced first aid classes and a lifeguarding class.
Quote from: MacGyver on January 31, 2011, 12:59:23 PM
Probably none. But it's possible someone might take a CPR course, particularly if they worked as a lifeguard, which is one job that normal teenagers might have. I guess it just depends really. I guess the point is that Frank and Joe are exceptionally well trained in medicine comparatively speaking.
Yeah. They sure are! ;D 8)
QuoteWell I guess I'm a normal teenager, and I'm CPR certified, and I've taken a few advanced first aid classes and a lifeguarding class.
Very cool! 8)
Actually, I do know quite a few teens who know first aid.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on January 30, 2011, 12:11:40 AM
As true as that is, I know I've read plenty of books that had unnecessary scenes.
And there's plenty of lame books.
Quote from: SDLagent on January 31, 2011, 10:18:24 PM
Actually, I do know quite a few teens who know first aid.
And there's plenty of lame books.
Sadly yes but it's not always a lame book that has this in it. However, I suppose you could argue a scene's importance if you wanted to.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 01, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
Sadly yes but it's not always a lame book that has this in it. However, I suppose you could argue a scene's importance if you wanted to.
Yeah. ;D Can we get back on topic? :-\
I think we are going to be back on the topic of what kind of medical training do Frank and Joe Hardy have versus "normal" teenagers because it's going to be needed soon if we don't get back on track. ;)
Quote from: MacGyver on February 04, 2011, 01:46:45 PM
I think we are going to be back on the topic of what kind of medical training do Frank and Joe Hardy have versus "normal" teenagers because it's going to be needed soon if we don't get back on track. ;)
Yeah. No kidding! :) ;)
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 04, 2011, 02:29:35 PM
Yeah. No kidding! :) ;) Wait, what do you mean? ???
What don't you mean?
Quote from: SDLagent on February 04, 2011, 04:52:39 PM
What don't you mean?
Never mind. ::) Anyone else have any ideas? When we can all get back on the topic, that is! ;D 8)
After reading the Lost trilogy, I think you can accomplish any explanation with "ATAC training" because I swear Joe and Frank both referred to their training on MULTIPLE occasions. So if you are a UB fan like your name says it is, :O), then you have a good chance of being able to use the ATAC as your backup.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 08, 2011, 08:06:48 PM
After reading the Lost trilogy, I think you can accomplish any explanation with "ATAC training" because I swear Joe and Frank both referred to their training on MULTIPLE occasions. So if you are a UB fan like your name says it is, :O), then you have a good chance of being able to use the ATAC as your backup.
What do you mean? :-\ Feel free to PM me.
She means you can explain Frank and Joe's medical training by mentioning their ATAC training like they do in the books.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 09, 2011, 12:31:35 AM
She means you can explain Frank and Joe's medical training by mentioning their ATAC training like they do in the books.
Okay, so I could say something like,
"We've got our paramedic training through ATAC because it was required for one of our previous missions."
Would that work? :-\
Or something like
"All ATAC's members are given a medical training course for emergencys"
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
Or something like
"All ATAC's members are given a medical training course for emergencys"
"And whatever the mission may be, it might be basic, intermediate or advanced." Depending on the agent and their skill level or something like that? :-\ I don't know. :-\
One thing you might want to try is making the revelation of Frank and Joe's knowledge of medical training a natural one. That is, you might have Frank or Joe commenting to each other something like - "I'm sure glad ATAC keeps us trained for any kind of medical situation. I never thought I'd need paramedic skills, but I'm sure glad I have them now."
Hope that helps you.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 10, 2011, 12:46:50 AM
One thing you might want to try is making the revelation of Frank and Joe's knowledge of medical training a natural one. That is, you might have Frank or Joe commenting to each other something like - "I'm sure glad ATAC keeps us trained for any kind of medical situation. I never thought I'd need paramedic skills, but I'm sure glad I have them now."
Hope that helps you.
Yeah. It does. ;D
:)
I'm just worried that I go to write my fanfiction and I get several bad reviews! I'm still trying to decide if I want to post my HB fiction or not. :-\ I've got one Torchwood story on Fanfiction.net and I've only got four reviews and I have five chapters up and am working on the sixth. :-\
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 10, 2011, 02:34:47 PM
I'm just worried that I go to write my fanfiction and I get several bad reviews! I'm still trying to decide if I want to post my HB fiction or not. :-\ I've got one Torchwood story on Fanfiction.net and I've only got four reviews and I have five chapters up and am working on the sixth. :-\
Please post it. I imagine that the bad reviewers were just having a bad day. You're among friends here. ;)
I love HB fanfiction! You should post it. :)
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 10, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
Please post it. I imagine that the bad reviewers were just having a bad day. You're among friends here. ;)
Thanks! ;) But I'm not ready for the HDA. and some of the stuff that's on fanfiction.net is really bad! :o So I'm not sure where I can post it. Wish I could post it here. I like this site and know it would be well received. :)
You could just post a link to your fan fiction. I don't think it would be a good idea to post something as long as a fanfiction story onto this forum.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 10, 2011, 08:03:59 PM
You could just post a link to your fan fiction. I don't think it would be a good idea to post something as long as a fanfiction story onto this forum.
All right. Just wanted to be sure. Is that allowed?
Yes, you're allowed to post links to other sites.
Not everything on ff.net is bad but I don't blame you for feeling that way about HDA. I don't even feel ready for them. lol
But definitely put it up there. If you want someone to read it first, you can PM me. No problem.
Negative reviews come with the territory but sometimes you have to realize that some people write them just to be mean. I have found that a lot of people on ff.net can be supportive though too.
You just never know what you're going to get. Obviously, among friends like on this site, you'd have less of that problem. :)
It is a scary and kind of vulnerable thing to do by putting your stories out there for everyone. It's putting your heart and soul out there too.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 11, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
Not everything on ff.net is bad but I don't blame you for feeling that way about HDA. I don't even feel ready for them. lol
But definitely put it up there. If you want someone to read it first, you can PM me. No problem.
Negative reviews come with the territory but sometimes you have to realize that some people write them just to be mean. I have found that a lot of people on ff.net can be supportive though too.
You just never know what you're going to get. Obviously, among friends like on this site, you'd have less of that problem. :)
It is a scary and kind of vulnerable thing to do by putting your stories out there for everyone. It's putting your heart and soul out there too.
I know. :-\ I did send you a PM. :)
What is HDA? ???
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 11, 2011, 02:55:36 PM
What is HDA? ???
Hardy Detective Agency.
Check it out (http://www.hardydetectiveagency.com/).
Hamster Daredevil Assassins ;) ;D
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 11, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
Hardy Detective Agency.
Check it out (http://www.hardydetectiveagency.com/).
Yeah, I remember seeing that before. I had it under my bookmarks, but I deleted it while I was cleaning out the bookmark folder.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 11, 2011, 03:02:00 PM
Hamster Daredevil Assassins ;) ;D
;D ;D
Quote from: MacGyver on February 11, 2011, 03:02:00 PM
Hamster Daredevil Assassins ;) ;D
LOL! ;D Where did that come from? ;)
Haha- just made it up. God gave me a strange sense of humor and creativity. ;D
(I was kinda also inspired by Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters, a comic book parody of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.)
Quote from: MacGyver on February 13, 2011, 02:40:49 PM
Haha- just made it up. God gave me a strange sense of humor and creativity. ;D
(I was kinda also inspired by Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters, a comic book parody of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.)
That's cool. :) I guess we're famous for getting off topic here, aren't we? ;D
I LOVE TMNT!!!! I haven't heard of the Hamster parody though. lol
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 02:47:09 PM
That's cool. :) I guess we're famous for getting off topic here, aren't we? ;D
Very much so.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 14, 2011, 04:18:59 PM
I LOVE TMNT!!!! I haven't heard of the Hamster parody though. lol
Very much so.
I noticed in the different series that what the Hardys know medically changes. What's up with that?
Hundreds of writers have worked on The Hardy Boys so specifics are going to change from book to book and certainly from series to series.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 14, 2011, 06:08:37 PM
Hundreds of writers have worked on The Hardy Boys so specifics are going to change from book to book and certainly from series to series.
So there's no set rules? ???
Not for the details. There is (or was) a Hardy Boys "bible" that ghostwriters would read before they wrote a Hardy Boys book but it just gave the basics like how old the boys are, who their friends are, where they live, etc. These are the things you'll see fairly consistently throughout the different series.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 14, 2011, 06:13:13 PM
Not for the details. There is (or was) a Hardy Boys "bible" that ghostwriters would read before they wrote a Hardy Boys book but it just gave the basics like how old the boys are, who their friends are, where they live, etc. These are the things you'll see fairly consistently throughout the different series.
I noticed since the
UB's that they haven't even listed Frank and Joe age!
Yeah, many fans have noticed that. A few years ago there was a debate on this forum about just how old the Hardys are in the UB. It's rather odd that it's never even been mentioned once considering it has been in every other series.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 14, 2011, 06:23:39 PM
Yeah, many fans have noticed that. A few years ago there was a debate on this forum about just how old the Hardys are in the UB. It's rather odd that it's never even been mentioned once considering it has been in every other series.
How old do you think they are?
They act pretty immature but Joe has to be at least 16 because he can drive. They're between 16 and 18 but other than that I don't know.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 14, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
They act pretty immature but Joe has to be at least 16 because he can drive. They're between 16 and 18 but other than that I don't know.
They're still in school . . .I'm thinking more like 17 and 18. Weren't they undercover in at a collage once?
Yeah, in Hazed they were. They may very well be 17 and 18 since that's the age they are in most other series but we really just don't know. Chet is only 16 in the series, though, that's one of the reasons I was thinking they might be a bit younger.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 14, 2011, 06:35:41 PM
Yeah, in Hazed they were. They may very well be 17 and 18 since that's the age they are in most other series but we really just don't know. Chet is only 16 in the series, though, that's one of the reasons I was thinking they might be a bit younger.
Wasn't it in the
UB Foul Play?
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 14, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
Wasn't it in the UB Foul Play?
Maybe it was. The
UB novels have all sort of blurred together in my mind.
I seem to recall that one of the UB's even points to the possibility that Frank and Joe in the series might not even be older than 12 or 13 which seems rather unlikely.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on February 14, 2011, 07:59:42 PM
I seem to recall that one of the UB's even points to the possibility that Frank and Joe in the series might not even be older than 12 or 13 which seems rather unlikely.
Which one?
I have to agree with SDL on this one. All the UB's seem to blur together, but I recall typing about it in a post on here, so wherever that post is, I probably wrote which book it was in.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on February 14, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
I have to agree with SDL on this one. All the UB's seem to blur together, but I recall typing about it in a post on here, so wherever that post is, I probably wrote which book it was in.
Okay. I'll just search around myself, then.
I seriously doubt Fenton would be sending his 12 and 13 year old sons off on dangerous missions against terrorists and other such criminals. The Three Investigators managed to make that seem believable enough with their level of cases (which didn't generally always go to the same level that The Hardy Boys- though in the case of the UB books- in some cases, T3I surpasses them.)
Frank and Joe have been 18 and 17, respectively, in the revised Original books, Digests and Casefiles and Supermystery '88 and Ultra Thriller books. (And any other related spinoffs.) In the original text of The Hardy Boys Originals, Joe and Frank were 15 and 16, respectively. Okay yeah- and of course in the Clues Brothers and Secret Files books, Frank and Joe are 8 and 7, respectively.
I would think they would keep Frank and Joe at 18 and 17, respectively in the UB books as well- but I don't know if it's been definitively stated. But yeah- they have to be at least old enough to drive- which is going to be 16 in most places. (Though I had a driver's permit at 15- but I think some laws have changed since then. It also depends on what state in the USA or what country you're in.)
Do the graphic novels state their ages somewhere? I can't recall if it's mentioned there either.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 15, 2011, 01:45:21 AM
I seriously doubt Fenton would be sending his 12 and 13 year old sons off on dangerous missions against terrorists and other such criminals. The Three Investigators managed to make that seem believable enough with their level of cases (which didn't generally always go to the same level that The Hardy Boys- though in the case of the UB books- in some cases, T3I surpasses them.)
But they've never actually gone up against terrorist groups in the
UB novels (they have a few times in the graphics but they were never sent on missions against them - the terrorists attacked them). And if we want to talk realistically, I don't think Fenton would be sending his 17 and 18 year old sons on dangerous missions, either. But you have to suspend your disbelieve when it comes to ATAC - and, to be fair, many other aspects of the Hardy World and fiction in general.
True. And I didn't realize they hadn't faced terrorists in the UB books. I guess I was thinking of terrorist groups that showed up in the graphic novels.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 15, 2011, 02:18:55 AM
True. And I didn't realize they hadn't faced terrorists in the UB books. I guess I was thinking of terrorist groups that showed up in the graphic novels.
Well, you would think that since the Hardys work for a top-secret American crime-fighting government agency, they would fight terrorists but for some reason they haven't.
18 and 17 are not ages I would send my kids out on dangerous missions either. But I think it's more probable than 12 and 13. They are also Active TEENS Against Crime. So I guess it depends on how long they plan on being in it. I guess if they were in their earlier teens, they would be able to be in it longer. I just don't see them being that young though. Even if they don't encounter the Assassins, it's still easier to believe they are 18 and 17. Yes, they need to be able to drive and also travel alone. I realize that younger kids can travel alone too but it's different. They are traveling without chaperons or supervision. A 12 yr old would probably need that even nowadays.
The only way I even believe the 18 and 17 ages is because they are MUCH more mature than that. The UBs make them seem younger and less mature.
I still like to picture them in their late teens. :)
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 16, 2011, 01:59:51 PM
They are also Active TEENS Against Crime.
I still like to picture them in their late teens. :)
Uhh LOL it's AMERICAN teens against crime.........And yeah, no matter what series I read, I imagine them at least 17 and 18 :)
LOL You caught me!! Sorry....I apparently don't read enough UBs. Haha!
I also think of them as 17 and 18 unless it's the Secret Files or Clues Brothers. Those are definitely when they are much younger.
Haha it's okay! And I've never read the secret files or the Clues Brothers.....:( Should I? They have a bunch at my library...
Sure- why not? Give them a try. It's interesting just to see how they characterize Frank and Joe. Chet Morton also shows up a good bit in The Clues Brothers along with some of the other chums, like Tony Prito. Some of these guys also show up in The Secret Files series too. But in both series, Frank and Joe are explicitly stated as being 8 and 7, respectively.
Originally, Frank and Joe were younger - they were 16 and 15. It wasn't until the 50s that ages became permanently 18 and 17.
Anyone know of any good ambulance calls that Frank and Joe can go on as a cover for my story that I'm writing? ???
Uh, a car crash, a burning building, a convienience store hold up perhaps :D
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 16, 2011, 07:03:47 PM
Uh, a car crash, a burning building, a convienience store hold up perhaps :D
That might work . . .
"Where are you two off to?" asked Mrs. Hardy.
"Ah, a car crash," blurted Joe.
"A burning building," Frank said at the same time.
"Ah, yeah, what Frank means is we're going to a convenience store hold-up."
The brothers looked awkwardly at each wishing they'd thought-up a cover story in advance.
"Fine, but be careful, dear," said their mother.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 11:31:37 PM
"Where are you two off to?" asked Mrs. Hardy.
"Ah, a car crash," blurted Joe.
"A burning building," Frank said at the same time.
"Ah, yeah, what Frank means is we're going to a convenience store hold-up."
The brothers looked awkwardly at each wishing they'd thought-up a cover story in advance.
"Fine, but be careful, dear," said their mother.
Good one. :) But, it's for their mission for ATAC. (Why does ATAC call them missions and not cases?) ::)
Because "cases" are so yesterday. "Missions" are cool and hip and so 21st century. The UB are all about 21st century. Same with "Trudy". That's hip.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 11:38:04 PM
Because "cases" are so yesterday. "Missions" are cool and hip and so 21st century. The UB are all about 21st century. Same with "Trudy". That's hip.
But saying "cases" is cooler! ::)
Well, "mission" also implies a certain directive that Frank and Joe are to accomplish. If it's just a "case" it's more open-ended. With ATAC, I think they want to be more direct and maintain some control on exactly what things Frank and Joe are to do (and conversely, what things they are not to do.)
But SDLAgent covered the real-world marketing reasons. :)
Actually, I was just joking around. Your explanation makes a lot more sense.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 17, 2011, 12:57:20 AM
Well, "mission" also implies a certain directive that Frank and Joe are to accomplish. If it's just a "case" it's more open-ended. With ATAC, I think they want to be more direct and maintain some control on exactly what things Frank and Joe are to do (and conversely, what things they are not to do.)
But SDLAgent covered the real-world marketing reasons. :)
What things can they not do?
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 11:38:04 PM
Because "cases" are so yesterday. "Missions" are cool and hip and so 21st century. The UB are all about 21st century. Same with "Trudy". That's hip.
LOL. Also, because the word "hip" is so 21st century.
Quote from: Olivia on February 17, 2011, 12:48:36 PM
LOL. Also, because the word "hip" is so 21st century.
"Hip" is groovy. 8)
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 17, 2011, 04:17:27 PM
Whatever that means . . . ???
It's hippie talk. I do a great hippie imitation, especially when I have my hair down. ;)
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 17, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
It's hippie talk. I do a great hippie imitation, especially when I have my hair down. ;)
Okay. :)
QuoteWhat things can they not do?
I just meant that there may be some times when Frank and Joe are directed to only observe a suspect and report their actions back to ATAC, rather than actually attempt to apprehend the suspect. Those kind of imperatives.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 17, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
I just meant that there may be some times when Frank and Joe are directed to only observe a suspect and report their actions back to ATAC, rather than actually attempt to apprehend the suspect. Those kind of imperatives.
Have they ever apprehended a suspect? ???
QuoteIt's hippie talk. I do a great hippie imitation, especially when I have my hair down.
"Like, totally dude." - um, I guess that could maybe be an offshoot of hippie talk.
But I think more of 1980s slang with that kind of phrase- particularly the Valley Girl/surfer/
Bill & Ted style talk. :)
QuoteHave they ever apprehended a suspect?
Sure. Particularly in the Original 58 books, there may have been more of a concern for Frank and Joe's safety and I'm pretty sure there were times when their father may have just asked them to do one thing, but they wound up getting deeper into things and taking on more danger than their father would have liked.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 17, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
Sure. Particularly in the Original 58 books, there may have been more of a concern for Frank and Joe's safety and I'm pretty sure there were times when their father may have just asked them to do one thing, but they wound up getting deeper into things and taking on more danger than their father would have liked.
Any times after the Original 58 books? Like when they were with the Network?
Definitely. There are a number of times in the Casefiles when The Network may have only told them to do one thing, but they wound up going further.
Evil, Inc. is a great example.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 17, 2011, 04:56:41 PM
"Like, totally dude." - um, I guess that could maybe be an offshoot of hippie talk.
But I think more of 1980s slang with that kind of phrase- particularly the Valley Girl/surfer/Bill & Ted style talk. :)
True. Very heavy. ;) :D
Great Scott! ;D
Quote from: MacGyver on February 17, 2011, 05:04:04 PM
Great Scott! ;D
Anyone in there? What are you lookin' at? ;) ;D
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 17, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
It's hippie talk. I do a great hippie imitation, especially when I have my hair down. ;)
Really? FAR OUT MAN!!! I'm not too bad myself, ya know what I'm sayin?
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 17, 2011, 05:31:55 PM
Really? FAR OUT MAN!!! I'm not too bad myself, ya know what I'm sayin?
Yeah.
I think I missed something. lol
lol :)
I'm missing something...my brain! ;)
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on April 01, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
I'm missing something...my brain! ;)
Oh that's terrible! ::) ;) ;D I got
Dead on Arrival from Amazon today!(http://bestsmileys.com/excited/2.gif) So we'll see what kind of medical training they really have!(http://bestsmileys.com/excited/3.gif)
QuoteI'm missing something...my brain!
Oh that's terrible!
Yeah- you know what they say. "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
And conversely, a waist is a terrible thing to mind. ;);D
I read DOA and they did a good job for going undercover as EMTs. ;D 8) For not having much time to steady for the testing.
Yeah, Frank and Joe are always pretty quick studies. :)
Quote from: MacGyver on April 20, 2012, 10:11:06 PM
Yeah, Frank and Joe are always pretty quick studies. :)
Yeah, although, #20 in the UB series sort of freaked me out. :o