I came across a book on Amazon that mentions the Hardy Boys. It's called Children's Literature and its Effects (Children, Teachers, and Learning). According to the index, Hardy Boys are mentioned on page 36.
What possible effects on attitude can the Hardy Boys have on children?
Has anyone seen this book at all? It's $40 so I'm not buying it for 1 page. It looks like my library doesn't have it either. I am super curious about this.
What could it possibly say about the Hardys?
Ok wait...I think I found the page.
Try this link http://www.amazon.com/Childrens-Literature-Childr
en-Teachers-Learning/dp/0304700932/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1292109113&sr=8-19#reader_0304700932 (http://www.amazon.com/Childrens-Literature-Childr%3Cbr%20/%3Een-Teachers-Learning/dp/0304700932/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1292109113&sr=8-19#reader_0304700932)
That was underwhelming. The Hardy Boys are heroes and therefore send the message that boys/heroes have to be brave and tough? I am seeing a gender role issue here. ND, even if she's not my fave, challenges this by being a GIRL heroine.
Perhaps it's out of context but oh well.
QuoteGIRL heroine
that's the only kind. ;)
I'm sure the book just mentioned The Hardy Boys as an example and the author is right- they do help reinforce the idea of boys being heroes. And that's good because they're also the only kind. ;)
Are you trying to get in trouble Mac?? Really?! I know you're just being "technical" but you know what I meant. *shakes head* :)
Haha- yes, I was being technical, but there is also a point to it. Boys and girls can both be heroic and that is good. But just because the protagonists of The Hardy Boys are male, it doesn't mean that they are automatically communicating that girls cannot do brave and daring and heroic deeds too. There are books to encourage this quality for boys and there are books like Nancy Drew and The Dana Girls to encourage this for girls. I just get a little tired of all the sexist claims that I think come up way too quickly and unjustly.
I'm not saying that there aren't sexist folks out there. But at the same time, not everyone and everything is necessarily sexist. As Sigmund Freud said, "Sometimes a rose is just a rose."
I agree that boys and girls can be the heroes of a story or in real life. I think the book in mention was copyrighted in 2000. It's not exactly the 1950s, but it was a good 10 years ago. Equality for men and women has always been a source of discussion, and of course...sexism. From what I read, it didn't even seem justified to include the Hardy Boys books in this way. Oh well...at least we know better.
I get tired of those remarks as well.
Yeah, they could have wrote a bit more at least. For instance, give a couple of examples like part of the reason why they are "heroes" is because they don't stray from their values, etc.
Well I'm going merely on the Amazon preview. However, according to the index, they are only mentioned the one time. Oh well.
I should add too that the influence they had on me was a love of reading. I read over 100 HBs books and some twice over a summer. True I couldn't finish a book in school for awhile, lol, but they spurred a new outlook on books as entertainment.
Even today, 15 or so years later...I love them and even have written fan fic stories. When I was a kid a story could be 10 pages. Now I'm looking at a story over 100.
That book might think they had a different type of influence, but that's how they have influenced me.
This seems to fit in well here. The actual blog post is about The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries, but it's mainly just a quick synopsis of the series. The comments on the post are what I found interesting to read. (And keep in mind that this seems to be coming from a British point of view.) http://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/2009/07/weird_old_titles_the_hardy_boys_and_nancy_drew_mys.php#comment-panels
From the comments, I found a link in there to a story about the reinvention of Nancy Drew, both for the 2007 Nancy Drew movie and in the Nancy Drew, Girl Detective series and I thought that might be interesting to read too.
http://www.slate.com/id/2169353/
And this doesn't really fit at all, but I'll throw it in here anyway. Wow- be careful what you search for on the Internet. I ran across what seemed to be a funny fanfiction story based on the '70s show (particularly centered on the joke that Frank would always leave the room whenever Joe was singing a song in an episode) - but it turned out to not be good. I won't bother to post the link (because I can't find it right now for one thing and because it's apparently from a homoerotic blog.) I did think Joe having panic attacks from Frank's constant leaving and seeming rejection of him and his music was kinda funny, but like I said- it delved into some bad things at the end. I don't care for that kind of fanfiction...
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 15, 2010, 12:17:54 AM
I should add too that the influence they had on me was a love of reading. I read over 100 HBs books and some twice over a summer. True I couldn't finish a book in school for awhile, lol, but they spurred a new outlook on books as entertainment.
That's an excellent example. Obviously I was just thinking academically instead of real life and the positive effects on individuals.
Quote from: MacGyver on December 15, 2010, 12:53:42 PM
I did think Joe having panic attacks from Frank's constant leaving and seeming rejection of him and his music was kinda funny, but like I said- it delved into some bad things at the end. I don't care for that kind of fanfiction...
Yeah, I think I know what you're referring to.
Quote from: MacGyver on December 15, 2010, 12:53:42 PM
This seems to fit in well here. The actual blog post is about The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries, but it's mainly just a quick synopsis of the series. The comments on the post are what I found interesting to read. (And keep in mind that this seems to be coming from a British point of view.) http://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/2009/07/weird_old_titles_the_hardy_boys_and_nancy_drew_mys.php#comment-panels
From the comments, I found a link in there to a story about the reinvention of Nancy Drew, both for the 2007 Nancy Drew movie and in the Nancy Drew, Girl Detective series and I thought that might be interesting to read too.
http://www.slate.com/id/2169353/
And this doesn't really fit at all, but I'll throw it in here anyway. Wow- be careful what you search for on the Internet. I ran across what seemed to be a funny fanfiction story based on the '70s show (particularly centered on the joke that Frank would always leave the room whenever Joe was singing a song in an episode) - but it turned out to not be good. I won't bother to post the link (because I can't find it right now for one thing and because it's apparently from a homoerotic blog.) I did think Joe having panic attacks from Frank's constant leaving and seeming rejection of him and his music was kinda funny, but like I said- it delved into some bad things at the end. I don't care for that kind of fanfiction...
Thanks for the links!
I don't like to read or have anything really to do with fanfic that depicts incest, or anything like that. NO THANK YOU. To each his or her own, I suppose.
Quote from: MacGyver on December 15, 2010, 12:53:42 PM
This seems to fit in well here. The actual blog post is about The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries, but it's mainly just a quick synopsis of the series. The comments on the post are what I found interesting to read. (And keep in mind that this seems to be coming from a British point of view.) http://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/2009/07/weird_old_titles_the_hardy_boys_and_nancy_drew_mys.php#comment-panels (http://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/2009/07/weird_old_titles_the_hardy_boys_and_nancy_drew_mys.php#comment-panels)
From the comments, I found a link in there to a story about the reinvention of Nancy Drew, both for the 2007 Nancy Drew movie and in the Nancy Drew, Girl Detective series and I thought that might be interesting to read too.
http://www.slate.com/id/2169353/ (http://www.slate.com/id/2169353/)
And this doesn't really fit at all, but I'll throw it in here anyway. Wow- be careful what you search for on the Internet. I ran across what seemed to be a funny fanfiction story based on the '70s show (particularly centered on the joke that Frank would always leave the room whenever Joe was singing a song in an episode) - but it turned out to not be good. I won't bother to post the link (because I can't find it right now for one thing and because it's apparently from a homoerotic blog.) I did think Joe having panic attacks from Frank's constant leaving and seeming rejection of him and his music was kinda funny, but like I said- it delved into some bad things at the end. I don't care for that kind of fanfiction...
Why do people have to take a great series and ruin it with a story like that?
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 17, 2010, 08:34:10 PM
Thanks for the links!
I don't like to read or have anything really to do with fanfic that depicts incest, or anything like that. NO THANK YOU. To each his or her own, I suppose.
I agree. I hate it as well.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 05, 2011, 03:15:01 PM
Why do people have to take a great series and ruin it with a story like that?
For the same reason that people ruin a movie with that kind of garbage. ::)
QuoteI agree. I hate it as well.
I second (or third) it. :-\
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 05, 2011, 07:01:30 PM
For the same reason that people ruin a movie with that kind of garbage. ::)
I second (or third) it. :-\
I just don't see any need for it. I'm a Christian and live according to what the Bible says. Even though it's hard, I try to live my life the way Jesus wants me to. :)
QuoteI just don't see any need for it. I'm a Christian and live according to what the Bible says. Even though it's hard, I try to live my life the way Jesus wants me to.
Amen, sister! I'm a Christian as well and I try to live my life the way Jesus wants me to - and I agree that it's hard. But what is impossible with man is possible with God! (Matthew 19:26) - and we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. (Philippians 4:13) I praise God for the promise He's given us in The Bible that even as we live the Christian life, it's still not us doing anything- it's Christ living in us and it's all His power changing us and using us for His glory. Keep walking closely with Him. :) 8)
Quote from: MacGyver on February 06, 2011, 01:09:09 AM
Amen, sister! I'm a Christian as well and I try to live my life the way Jesus wants me to - and I agree that it's hard. But what is impossible with man is possible with God! (Matthew 19:26) - and we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. (Philippians 4:13) I praise God for the promise He's given us in The Bible that even as we live the Christian life, it's still not us doing anything- it's Christ living in us and it's all His power changing us and using us for His glory. Keep walking closely with Him. :) 8)
Thanks! :) I was afraid I'd inadvertently started a war with that comment. Glad that's not the case. It's nice to know that there are other Christians on here who like the Hardy Boys, too! :)
Quote from: MacGyver on December 15, 2010, 12:53:42 PM
And this doesn't really fit at all, but I'll throw it in here anyway. Wow- be careful what you search for on the Internet. I ran across what seemed to be a funny fanfiction story based on the '70s show (particularly centered on the joke that Frank would always leave the room whenever Joe was singing a song in an episode) - but it turned out to not be good. I won't bother to post the link (because I can't find it right now for one thing and because it's apparently from a homoerotic blog.) I did think Joe having panic attacks from Frank's constant leaving and seeming rejection of him and his music was kinda funny, but like I said- it delved into some bad things at the end. I don't care for that kind of fanfiction...
I've read a fanfic where Frank hires somebody to kidnap Joe, and things go WAY downhill from there.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 06, 2011, 11:08:33 AM
Glad that's not the case. It's nice to know that there are other Christians on here who like the Hardy Boys, too! :)
That was my reaction to this place, too. I too am a Christian and, although I sometimes fail, I try to live the way God wants me to. But, as the Bible says, we all fall. :)
Quote from: Dinosaur Dan on February 06, 2011, 03:41:19 PM
I've read a fanfic where Frank hires somebody to kidnap Joe, and things go WAY downhill from there.
What was the deal with that? ??? It seems like someone didn't read the series! ::)
LOL Frank hires someone to kidnap Joe?! HAHAHAHAHA WHY?
Is it strange that I want to read this??? lol
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 08, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
LOL Frank hires someone to kidnap Joe?! HAHAHAHAHA WHY?
Is it strange that I want to read this??? lol
I know so do I! ;D I have a feeling it might be rated M, though. :-\
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
I know so do I! ;D I have a feeling it might be rated M, though. :-\
Me too! :-\
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 08, 2011, 09:02:23 PM
Me too! :-\
Do you see any of the Hardys really doing that? :-\ I don't. :)
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
Do you see any of the Hardys really doing that? :-\ I don't. :)
Definitely not. :-\
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 08, 2011, 09:44:31 PM
Definitely not. :-\
Warning rant ahead!It should be a rule that you be an experienced Hardy Boys reader before you go writing fanfiction and posting it on the internet! Some of stuff that people write about the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and Alex Rider, I wouldn't let anyone underage read. :o >:( ::)
Anyone else feel this way? :-\
Definitely.
Of course, there are some that are familiar with these books and just have to insert some kind of innuendo or other such junk that was never there in the books and never would be. This is of course the same thing that happened with The Brady Bunch, Scooby-Doo, Starsky & Hutch, Charlie's Angels and many other movies I'm sure- and it's why I don't like most TV show to movie adaptations.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 10:36:48 PM
Warning rant ahead!
It should be a rule that you be an experienced Hardy Boys reader before you go writing fanfiction and posting it on the internet! Some of stuff that people write about the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and Alex Rider, I wouldn't let anyone underage read. :o >:( ::)
Anyone else feel this way? :-\
If it was possible to agree 200%, I would. :)
Warning: Another Rant AheadI really don't get why people take a good TV show, book(s), or a good movie and put all the trash in it. I mean, is it really necessary? Do we need the trash for it to sell? :o ::) If so, than I am ashamed to be in such a society. Thank goodness for Christian movie makers like the Kendrick brothers. We really need good entertainment. :)
OK, I'm off the soap box now. ::)
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 09, 2011, 10:55:00 AM
If it was possible to agree 200%, I would. :)
Warning: Another Rant Ahead
I really don't get why people take a good TV show, book(s), or a good movie and put all the trash in it. I mean, is it really necessary? Do we need the trash for it to sell? :o ::) If so, than I am ashamed to be in such a society. Thank goodness for Christian movie makers like the Kendrick brothers. We really need good entertainment. :)
OK, I'm off the soap box now. ::)
I'm still on mine. ;D Can you believe what some people will have some book and TV characters do in a fanfiction? :o ::)
Yeah! I read this Hardy Boys fanfiction and it was INNAPPROPRIATE!!!!!!! It was rated like 13+ though, there wasn't even a mystery in it, juss the boys fighting, cursing, and doing INNAPPROPRIATE things!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( :P
Lol sorry, I like to yell the word "innappropriate" ;D
One other thing that comes to mind: The Hardy Boys are geared for young people, right? Then why write R-rated HB fan-fics? Just curious... ::) ???
To appeal to the perverted minds of adult fans who find that kind of crudity and immorality funny.
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 09, 2011, 02:16:53 PM
One other thing that comes to mind: The Hardy Boys are geared for young people, right? Then why write R-rated HB fan-fics? Just curious... ::) ???
Because some people are, (if you'll excuse me) perverts. :o I think. >:(
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 01:48:28 PM
Yeah! I read this Hardy Boys fanfiction and it was INNAPPROPRIATE!!!!!!! It was rated like 13+ though, there wasn't even a mystery in it, juss the boys fighting, cursing, and doing INNAPPROPRIATE things!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( :P
Lol sorry, I like to yell the word "innappropriate" ;D
Like what? Would I be scarred for life if I read it?
YES! Kids would definetly be scarred too!
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 04:41:22 PM
YES! Kids would definetly be scarred too!
What happened in it?
Oh, and there was this other one about how Joe was kidnapped by a "Satanic cult" .....? It was obscene and made no sense whatsoever, wayy too dramatic and it was just... absurd! ::) :o ::)
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 04:46:49 PM
Oh, and there was this other one about how Joe was kidnapped by a "Satanic cult" .....? It was obscene and made no sense whatsoever, wayy too dramatic and it was just... absurd! ::) :o ::)
I think I read like the first sentence in that one and was like, "What's this got to to with Frank and Joe?" :o I didn't read the rest. :o >:(
I'm just glad that nobody published those..... I'm not saying bad things about fanfiction in general, like they have some pretty good ones about when the Hardys are little, but when you're writing a story about how MY Joe Hardy is anorexic and bulemic?!????>:( Then, come on, you have got to be kidding me.
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 04:54:38 PM
I'm just glad that nobody published those..... I'm not saying bad things about fanfiction in general, like they have some pretty good ones about when the Hardys are little, but when you're writing a story about how MY Joe Hardy is anorexic and bulemic?!? ??? Then, come on, you have got to be kidding me.
I know! It's not that hard. Come on, people, really read the series before you go writing fanfiction! >:(
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 04:46:49 PM
Oh, and there was this other one about how Joe was kidnapped by a "Satanic cult" .....?
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 04:54:38 PM
but when you're writing a story about how MY Joe Hardy is anorexic and bulemic?!????>:(
Pretty crazy.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 09, 2011, 04:40:24 PM
Because some people are, (if you'll excuse me) perverts. :o I think. >:(
You've got that right.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 09, 2011, 04:59:37 PM
I know! It's not that hard. Come on, people, really read the series before you go writing fanfiction! >:(
I know. ::)
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 09, 2011, 09:31:09 PM
I know. ::)
I think we all need to write a really good fanfiction, do it how
we want it, and post it. Anyone want to have a go? :-\
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 09, 2011, 09:35:46 PM
I think we all need to write a really good fanfiction, do it how we want it, and post it. Anyone want to have a go? :-\
I'm writing a fanfic right now, but it's my first full one. :-\
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 09, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
I'm writing a fanfic right now, but it's my first full one. :-\
I've got one in the works. If you want, PM me, I need someone to share ideas with.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 09, 2011, 09:46:35 PM
I've got one in the works. PM me, I need someone to share ideas with.
I'll PM you tomorrow. I'm getting tired. :-\
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 09, 2011, 09:49:07 PM
I'll PM you tomorrow. I'm getting tired. :-\
Sounds good. :)
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
I have a feeling it might be rated M, though. :-\
I dont think it had a rating. All I will say is that Frank was WAY out of character in the story. You do NOT want to read it, trust me on this.
Quote from: Dinosaur Dan on February 13, 2011, 04:14:46 PM
I dont think it had a rating. All I will say is that Frank was WAY out of character in the story. You do NOT want to read it, trust me on this.
Why? Will I be scarred for life or what?
I agree that there are fanfic writers that take things to a really inappropriate level. Like the boys and incest... EWWWW EEWWW EWWW. But then there are people like me who like to take it out of the HB world a little but still keeping as much as possible. The canon books are geared towards young adults or kids so they don't get into certain situations. I have them in situations that I haven't seen but would like to have explored in the canons. It makes no sense to me that some of these bad guys are so inept that they can't keep them tied up or captured because they are so stupid. I explore the idea that some these bad guys aren't so stupid and can actually "catch a Hardy boy". :)
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 14, 2011, 01:16:26 PM
I agree that there are fanfic writers that take things to a really inappropriate level. Like the boys and incest... EWWWW EEWWW EWWW. But then there are people like me who like to take it out of the HB world a little but still keeping as much as possible. The canon books are geared towards young adults or kids so they don't get into certain situations. I have them in situations that I haven't seen but would like to have explored in the canons. It makes no sense to me that some of these bad guys are so inept that they can't keep them tied up or captured because they are so stupid. I explore the idea that some these bad guys aren't so stupid and can actually "catch a Hardy boy". :)
Yeah that's like, gross! ::) What situations do you usually put them in?
Torture.... I know I am bad. I read a GREAT fanfic where Joe is tortured for awhile. I could never get to how amazingly visual and emotional the scenes were but I couldn't resist trying it myself. TEARS flowed from my eyes while reading that story. It was really, really well done. And that was not the whole story so it did stop after awhile.
The Hardy Boys have many enemies...and so does Fenton. It's totally reasonable that one day one of them would be captured just because they are a Hardy.
I never ever kill them permanently though. I also like to use humor to off set the danger. Yeah, danger...that's a better way of putting it.
But I like when Joe and Callie have their little brother/sister moments. Those are fun to write too. Also, Joe gets his butt kicked and kidnapped in most of the fanfic stories. So I wrote them with Frank being the one that was more in peril. And of course there is more to it than just hurting and then saving them.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 14, 2011, 04:24:19 PM
Torture.... I know I am bad. I read a GREAT fanfic where Joe is tortured for awhile. I could never get to how amazingly visual and emotional the scenes were but I couldn't resist trying it myself. TEARS flowed from my eyes while reading that story. It was really, really well done. And that was not the whole story so it did stop after awhile.
I think I read that one. Or one just like that. Most of the story takes place in a courtroom, though. Really had me on edge, both emotionally and psychologically. :o
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 14, 2011, 06:35:23 PM
I think I read that one. Or one just like that. Most of the story takes place in a courtroom, though. Really had me on edge, both emotionally and psychologically. :o
So did I. ;) Hey, we have the same rank, now!
I've read a very little bit of Hardy Boys fanfiction back some time ago- one of the older ones on HDA involving Iola making a return in the Casefiles world. But otherwise I don't generally read Hardy Boys fanfiction- I have enough of the actual canon to read to keep me busy. :)
(Not saying anything against it there- just that I don't generally get into it as much and don't usually have the time to read it nowadays anyway.) However, I have read some great fanfiction for some older TV shows and such- that kind of stuff is great for TV shows and movies, etc. that don't have a plethora of official canon stories to keep the adventure going. In fact, fanfiction is what got me introduced to Quantum Leap, as I read about it through a crossover story with Early Edition. :) I love both of those shows now. (And I've seen all the episodes of QL and pretty sure I've seen all the EE episodes too.) I really enjoy the crossover ones for shows that I like- those are fun. I read a pretty neat crossover story with The Dukes of Hazzard and The Incredible Hulk ('70s TV show version) once that was pretty cool. As well as one with The Dukes of Hazzard and Quantum Leap. And one with The Incredible Hulk ('70s Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno classic!) and The Greatest American Hero- I really enjoyed that one. ;D And those Back to the Future fanfiction stories I mentioned in another thread. And I definitely dig some Muppets fanfictions (yeah- The Muppets are another one of my big favorites. For any other fans, check out www.muppetcentral.com - by far the best fan site and forum for Muppets online.) :)
I don't really read much HB fanfiction. Most fanfiction that I read now is Back To The Future. ;D
Cool. Did you check out the stories on the links I sent you? I'm sure there are tons of others elsewhere on the Net and on fanfiction.net - but those links both are particularly good, in my opinion.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 15, 2011, 11:15:15 AM
Cool. Did you check out the stories on the links I sent you? I'm sure there are tons of others elsewhere on the Net and on fanfiction.net - but those links both are particularly good, in my opinion.
Yeah, they were pretty good. I like scouting around for good fan fiction, except when I accidentally click on a slash fic link. :o :o
Glad you liked it then.
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 14, 2011, 06:35:23 PM
I think I read that one. Or one just like that. Most of the story takes place in a courtroom, though. Really had me on edge, both emotionally and psychologically. :o
I'm interested to see if it's the same story. PM me if you remember the author and/or story title. :)
HB fanfiction or any fanfiction comes in waves for me. I would spend hours and hours engrossed in a story. Then I started writing my own. And now I'm reading a lot of the canon so I read less fan fic. It's interesting to see how people use Frank and Joe in a story. Sometimes it feels too different for me, but other times it's so spot on it's scary.
Another reason why some of us could write better HB stories than their current ghostwriters. :)