Possible Ends for ATAC (Just for fun) :)
The ATAC bosses go bad and start sending Frank, Joe and other agents on almost impossible missions in an attempt to kill of their agents, the Hardy boys find out and get the cops to arrest the bad ATAC bosses. Fenton decides that ATAC is to dangers and stops it for good.
Or
ATFC (American Teens For Crime) pops up out of no were, and starts committing crime all over the world, ATAC send there agents to stop them but when they get there they are attacked by ATFC agents. Fights between ATAC and ATFC brake out across the glob and Fenton fearing the teens safety he talks them of the case and lets the Network stop ATFC, but many agents have already been killed. After the ATFC is stopped by the Network, ATAC is stopped by Fenton.
Or
Laura and Trudy find out about ATAC and Laura threatens to devours Fenton if he doesn?t pole Frank and Joe out of ATAC! ;)
Or maybe not.
Do you have any ideas?
maybe there could be a spy for a nother agency (crime agency) inside of ATAC. Maybe the son or daughter of a mob leader. Frank and Joe find the spy but because of all the trouble he/she had caused ATAC shuts down. and if these books are suppost to be set before the origionals. Age wise. They can end the series with a tie with the first HB book
There's already been WARD in the graphic novels. Why not introduce WARD in the regular novels, and get rid of ATAC that way.
Isn't a Hardy's Day Night supposed to be about a traitor? Anyways, Q.T. strikes a deal with the leader of Ward, and starts sending his recriuts into traps. Fenton gets wind and tries to intervene. He is captured and Frank and Joe saves him. He fires Q.T. and shuts ATAC down for good.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on July 08, 2007, 07:29:23 PM
There's already been WARD in the graphic novels. Why not introduce WARD in the regular novels, and get rid of ATAC that way.
After reading
The Opposite Numbers I agree with that.
How about this:
The assians take over ATAC. With the help of the network, The Hardys stop ATAC from taking over the world and ATAC is finnaly shut down.
Does the Graphic Novels have ATAC in it?
Yup, they do.
So is it like a comic book for Undercover Brothers?
Yeah, although they seem to be slightly different in tone or something. But same premise and everything :)
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on July 21, 2008, 01:17:32 PM
So is it like a comic book for Undercover Brothers?
Infact, the 1st Graphic novel was originally issued as a 3 part trilogy back between November 2004 and January 2005.
That's interesting!
How about ATAC, still goes for a while, because look at the other series they go for what? The casefiles over a 100 (i think). And the Original series fifty. I think this one will at least go to 50 books.
These books will defintly get Fifity at least!
BTW Welcome to the Forum.
Quote from: bozonessinc on August 25, 2008, 09:57:04 AM
How about ATAC, still goes for a while, because look at the other series they go for what? The casefiles over a 100 (i think). And the Original series fifty. I think this one will at least go to 50 books.
The Clues Brothers: 17 volumes
The Original (Grosset & Dunlap including 2005 additions): 67 volumes, plus 39
rewrites
The Digests: 136 (includes Ghost Stories, Campfire Stories, Super Sleuths, Survival guide)
Casefiles: 127
ND/HB SuperMystery'88: 36 volumes
Hardy Boys/Tom Swift Ultra Thrillers: 2 volumes
HB UB: 27
HB UB SM: 2
HB ND SM: 2
If you combine both the Originals and Digests, you are looking at over 240 books with close to 260 different stories.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on August 25, 2008, 06:54:18 PM
HB UB: 27
27? isn't there only 23 (24 if you count ''Haunted'')?
Plus the part 3 of the Murder House Trilogy, and the Double Deception Trilogy.
are these lists including the ones that simon & Schuster have dates to come out, or are they all already published?
how about first Frank And Joe Become heads of ATAC, and when they die it is the end of ATAC?
I think ATAC will last as long as USA last even if F&J leave it.
But it wouldnt be the Hardy Boys Books any more ATAC Agent books!
Quote from: bozonessinc on August 29, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
how about first Frank And Joe Become heads of ATAC, and when they die it is the end of ATAC?
Then I guess ATAC is not good enough to go on ;)
Just kidding, sort of.
I think the hardy boys books will go on as long as the casefiles as long as theres a market for it, we all know, all the companies, ie: simonsays want is to make money so if they know they have a good product they will continue to write books. The ATAC series may end but when it does I think that people will still buy them years after.... Does anyone think that their just gonna disappear from shelves and be forgotton about? I dont!!
I don't know...maybe they'll still be around because they didn't sell all their copies off. But the Originals seems to have the most lasting power.
But you're just talking about the UBs and their situation, not which series is more likely to stay popular so.
Ah, bozonessinc, why do you keep refering to the "ATAC series"? I asume your talking about the 25 volume Undercover Brothers series, but since ATAC appears in three other series I'm not sure.
Quote from: SDLagent on September 26, 2008, 04:30:44 PM
Ah, bozonessinc, why do you keep refering to the "ATAC series"? I asume your talking about the 25 volume Undercover Brothers series, but since ATAC appears in three other series I'm not sure.
I think he is grouping the main
Undercover Brothers, the graphic novels and the
Nancy Drew And Hardy Boys Super Mystery'07 series under the one umbrella of "The ATAC Series".
Heres my idea:
Chuck Norris joins the government and The F.B.I., Network & ATAC are no longer needed! ;D :D ;) :)
Quote from: 003Robin457 on September 27, 2008, 08:18:16 AM
Heres my idea:
Chuck Norris joins the government and The F.B.I., Network & ATAC are no longer needed! ;D :D ;) :)
So what happens to the Hardys? ;)
They are out of work. :(
Come on, Chuck Norris can't solve every single case out there.
The Hardys have their own turf - Bayport :)
Ahh, thanks for your replies on what my views are. Since none of you are actually me. I will tell you to which I am reffering. I am talking about the Undercover Brothers books and also this years and last years Super Mysteries, and Trilogys. Please its easier for me to refer to it as the ATAC series.
ATAC Has ended with the death of Frank and Joe, for those who are unaware, a secret organization has been running in our midst (Bayport times) Is that how it will end?
No way! ::)
What most people call all the current series (UB, UB Super Mystery, Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery, and graphic Novel) is Undercover Brothers continuity, but ATAC series works to I guess.
Why doesn't someone e-mail SandS and tell them the ideas of a Just ATAC series.
They don't seem to listen to feedback...
$&$ doesn't have a e-mail...
Really?
info@simonandschuster.ca is a valid e-mail and is posted on there Canada. I think they will take suggestions from there.
That's just for ther Canada website, it's really not related to the people behind the Hardys.
Us Canadians use that e-mail, I guess the Americans don't like e-mail!
Or, I guess S&S figures Canadians aren't smart enough to figure out that their emails are just going into the Recycle Bin.
Or $&$ figures that Canadians are too smart to fall for the HB:UB, so they don't have as good an e-mail address for feedback.
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 02, 2008, 05:03:54 PM
Hi, this is SandS we do read our e-mails.... NOT... But still you can give feedback on the SandS american site, which also goes in the recycle bin
By the way...
1. I do not live in an igloo
2. Canada has the best Hockey Players
Change your impression of Canada, we aren't stupid.. Canadian stores don't sell casefiles, they sell UB's!
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 03, 2008, 02:30:17 PM
Change your impression of Canada, we aren't stupid.. Canadian stores don't sell casefiles, they sell UB's!
In some cases we are stupid! And Canadian stores don't sell Casefiles since $&$ stopped publishing them over 10 years ago.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 03, 2008, 02:30:17 PM
2. Canada has the best Hockey Players
Right, which would be why Alex Ovechkin is from Canada, oh wait ... btw nobody cares about hockey
Yeah, a pretty lame point, 2. Canada has the best Hockey Players. Doesn't exactly improve are look, if that's the number two best thing about Canadians.
I think the point was to show that Canada has good qualities and to break down stereotypes. Unfortunately, it won't always happen that easily but at least us Canadians know what we know...
Hey, has anyone see that show Talking to Americans? Some of the stuff they pull on there is crazy!
Like saying that we throw away our elderly people on ice floats or that we just got a second area code recently.
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 05, 2008, 10:26:43 PM
I think the point was to show that Canada has good qualities and to break down stereotypes. Unfortunately, it won't always happen that easily but at least us Canadians know what we know...
Hey, has anyone see that show Talking to Americans? Some of the stuff they pull on there is crazy!
Like saying that we throw away our elderly people on ice floats or that we just got a second area code recently.
LOL!!
There was another one where the university profressors said that Canadas capital was Toronto.... HELLO OTTAWA!!
University Professors? Ha ha. Well, it's not that bad because they were probably just thinking about the two supposed dominant cities in Canada and mixed them up outloud. Or not.
There's a lot of clips on YouTube. There was one with an American governor actually saying "Congratulations Canada on your preservation of your National Igloo" lol.
In people's defense, though, some just assume that it's a serious matter because it looks like a distinguished journalist and camera crew are walking around. People know it's going to be broadcast, and if they said, "Are you for real?" and it turns out to be actually real they'll look bad.
One more: there was one when they went up to George Bush and said, "Prime Minister Jean Poutine says ___________". Bush looked happy and said, "Yeah, of course, our neighbour to the north is important...". The Prime Minister at the time was Jean Chretien :D It was loud and kind of chaotic though, and Bush might've not caught the name. Who knows.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 03, 2008, 02:30:17 PM
Canadian stores don't sell casefiles, they sell UB's!
Unfortinly, that was one of Canada's biggest mistakes. Thank goodness Used Stores still sell Casefiles, or you can bet I'd move someone where they didn't sell UBs.
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 06, 2008, 06:21:37 PM
Unfortinly, that was one of Canada's biggest mistakes. Thank goodness Used Stores still sell Casefiles, or you can bet I'd move someone where they didn't sell UBs.
Yeah, and where would that be? ;)
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 06, 2008, 06:40:34 PM
Yeah, and where would that be? ;)
I know several place where they only have used book stores.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 06, 2008, 11:01:50 AM
There was another one where the university profressors said that Canadas capital was Toronto.... HELLO OTTAWA!!
Well Toronto thinks they're the capital of Canada. Not to mention the center of the world...so don't blame the guy to much.
Toronto is the capital of Ontario, in which Ottawa is. Ottawa is the Capital of Canada. So we could say that Canada is second place.
Yes, this is a serious matter, because if people in the states don't know our capital or anything about us. Why should we really give a care about them or anything.
I am Canadian and I know that the Capital of the States is Washington DC and well I think that its only fair if people in the states knew about us too..
I also know that in the states they have the whitehouse, and that in this election some of the people running are, barack obama, john Mcain, and alot of others. And currently George Bush Jr. Is in charge.
Also Hillary clinton used to be running. Hey, just thinking of the title, Ends for ATAC, maybe the government finds out and takes them over.
Sorry if you thought my comment was belittling the mistake. But I honestly thought it was just a dumb slip for those Professors.
But I see what you mean now about other people getting the wrong impression.
"just a dumb slip" PROFRESSORS ARE BRANIACS There are no dumb slips, if you can't remember that important of information, you would not be my teacher!
Gonna have to go with Liv, he might be a professor of Astrophysics or something, now if he was a geography professor ... btw its not really that important of a piece of information, unless you're a moose hunter or igloo maker or something
Hey, we try to protect our wild species! I think...
Unless you go up north. I think...
P.S. Every human is allowed "a dumb slip".
IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN AND GOT UP TO GRADE 8 YOU HAVE TAKEN GEOGRAPHY AND WOULD KNOW THE CAPITAL OF A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY.... PLEASE SHOW A SIGN OF RESPECT TO A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY.
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 06, 2008, 06:21:37 PM
Unfortinly, that was one of Canada's biggest mistakes. Thank goodness Used Stores still sell Casefiles, or you can bet I'd move someone where they didn't sell UBs.
And of course, even in the used book stores, the
Casefiles are extremely rare, whereas the
Undercover Brothers keep popping up because people like the
Casefiles more and are keeping them for their collections.
Now then, with the original series, the reason that those books appear quite a bit in the used bookstores is that those books have been out since 1927, and the picture cover editions since 1962. Plus that series has never gone out of print, so there are tons of copies of those books out there, whereas the Casefiles went in and out of print within 20 years, and the Undercover Brothers have short print runs and a few have gone to the printers a few times, but most have gone through the printers only once.
Well, the reason that I like the ATAC series over the casefiles is because I had not read one in a while and had forgotten about them. Now, however I am reading one and have to admit that it is a good book. Now, if I could get them at the book store or at the library I would be happy..
Unfortunately this world is only selling UB's, I don't know whether sands are still selling casefiles new, but I wander why there would be that rejection of the casefiles. Why would they sell Ub's and not casefiles?
The book store that I am refering to is Coles, they are run by chapters, I don't know if at chapters they have the casefiles. I do know of course that at Coles they don't have them.
Just reading the other posts now. I see that there are complaints about the used stores just selling casefiles. So I guess thats it. Can you still buy them new from sands Canada?
If they don't what is there reason behind it. On this forum I have noticed that people do not even mention the Minstrel Hardy Boys Mystery stories. They are commonly found at the local library. Has anyone else not read these. Though I also don't see those at coles book stores.
On another note, if you look at other authors like Gordon Korman there serieses lasted 8 books, considering the UB's are in the 20's they must be good books. Though I wander why there are 187 or more of the Minstrel Mystery Books. And I think something like 127 casefiles.
Were the casefiles written around the same time as the original hardy boys. Also the Minstrel series, is there a name for them other than the hardy boys mystery stories.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 08, 2008, 11:05:28 AM
IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN AND GOT UP TO GRADE 8 YOU HAVE TAKEN GEOGRAPHY AND WOULD KNOW THE CAPITAL OF A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY.... PLEASE SHOW A SIGN OF RESPECT TO A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY.
Why would I show respect? Why would I care what the capital of Canada is? How does that help me. It's not like there is world-changing info coming from there
One thing that's sticking out to me right now is that the Casefiles actually fit a lot of substance into one book. I'm not saying that's the reason they don't have as many books as a result, just something I thought of.
***
Let's just say Canada's modest and we'll leave it at that. I don't think we should get into this any deeper. Not that I'm trying to tell any of you what to do. This is just what I think.
P.S. I actually had plans to move to the U.S. once. Just thought I'd mention that.
You're right Liv, I'll let it die. Just to say it though, if Canada wasn't by the U.S, it would be about as famous as Tajikistan
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 08, 2008, 02:35:02 PM
The book store that I am refering to is Coles, they are run by chapters, I don't know if at chapters they have the casefiles. I do know of course that at Coles they don't have them.
I also buy my books from the Chapters-Indigo chain, mostly Coles, since it is the only "New" bookstore in the area. Basically, Chapters/Indigo/Coles/Smithbooks and the Book Company stores stopped selling Casefiles about 5 years ago when the chain's stock ran out. Now then there may be the odd store that still has a volume or two left, but otherwise, the chain does not carry the books, since the last time that any Casefiles went to the printers was in 2002 when Simon & Schuster did an accidental run of 3000 copies of
Dead On Target and
Illegal Procedure (someone at S&S thought that these were Digest titles, since S&S had ordered more older Digests printed up). Otherwise, the rest of the series had not been to the printers since around 1998/1999.
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Were the casefiles written around the same time as the original hardy boys. Also the Minstrel series, is there a name for them other than the hardy boys mystery stories.
The Original Hardy Boys series (or
The Hardy Boys Mystery Stories as the books were officially called, and later changed to
The Original Hardy Boys Mystery Stories) was started in 1927 by Edward Stratemeyer as the first editor (as well as the owner of the Stratemeyer Syndicate) and Canadian journalist Leslie McFarlane (Volumes 1-16, which Leslie McFarlane wrote, were published by Applewood Books from 1991-2006, and the Applewood editions were facsimiles of the original texts of the books, not the revised texts).
Then from 1959-1973 the first 38 original books, plus the Detective Handbook, underwent a revision process that removed dated sayings as well as dated racial stereotyping. From 1960-1979 Grosset & Dunlap (who had printed the Hardy Boys since 1927) added volumes 39-58 to the series that the majority of Hardy Boys collector's and fans call the "Canon". Then in 1979, because Grosset & Dunlap had not done anything to celebrate the Hardy Boys 50th anniversary in 1977, the Stratemeyer Syndicate took the series, along with the Nancy Drew, Tom Swift and Bobbsey Twins series, over to Simon & Schuster to be published. Suffice it to say, G&D was not happy and filed a court case in which G&D said that it owned half of the series because it had paid for the artistry work, typesetting and binding of the books. However a judge ruled that the Stratemeyer Syndicate owned all the rights to the books because the Syndicate owned the original manuscripts.
So, starting in 1979 Simon & Schuster started to publish
The Hardy Boys Mystery Stories under their Wanderer Imprint, and to indicate that the series was a continuation of the original series, the first book,
Night Of The Werewolf was numbered #59 instead of #1. However, so that they would not mix the two parts of the series up, fans of the Hardy Boys started to call the New
Hardy Boys Mystery Stories the
Hardy Boys Digests when referring to the series. The first part of the Digests ran from 1979 till 1985 when Volume 85 was published. Then, after a break of nearly 2 years, September 1987 saw the publication of the continuation of this series with the 86th volume debutting. And from then till April 2005, a new
Hardy Boys Digest appeared at about the rate of 1 book every 2 months.
After doing a test with
The Hardy Boys Digests #84 and 85, Simon & Schuster saw that there was potential for the series to keep fans and to gain more fans if the boys were written for a pre-teen/teenage audience. So, in April 1987 the buying public saw the debut of a brand-new Hardy Boys series that was as different from the Digests as possible. This series was the
Hardy Boys Casefiles, and from April 1987 till May 1997 there was 1 new book released every month, then for the last 4 books it was spaced to a new book every 2nd month until the last book, #127, came out in time for Boxing Day 1997, with a January 1998 publishing date on its copyright page. In October 2002 Simon & Schuster "accidentally" reprinted Volume 1
Dead On Target and Volume #95
Illegal Procedure when it was reprinting some older Digests. However the print run for these two books was small, at just 3000 copies per book, but the books can be identified from the other books in the
Casefiles series because they are taller than the other books, and #1 has the Simon Pulse wave in a box logo on its spine instead of the Archway Paperbacks "A" logo.
In 1988 Simon & Schuster spun Frank and Joe from the Casefiles off with Nancy Drew from the
Nancy Drew Files series into a new series called
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery. This was the second time that the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew had been put together in a series. Starting in 1980 with a short story in the December 16 issue of
Family Circle magazine, the Hardy Boys had appeared with Nancy Drew in the 2 volume Short Story collection
Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Super Sleuths! (1981) and
Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Sleuths! Volume 2 (1984),
Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Campfire Stories, and the
Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Be A Detective (1984-1985) series of Digest-spinoffs. Obviously there was a high demand to see the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew together that it warranted a new series the was introduced with the nicely named first book,
Double Crossing. This Casefiles spinoff series outlasted both the
Hardy Boys Casefiles and the
Nancy Drew Files by 4 months, but sadly the last volume,
Process of Elimination was released in April 1998, with the next volume, tentatively called
The Playhouse Mystery cancelled and shelved. In 2007 fans started to call this series
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery'88 so that they wouldn't get confused with the spinoff series from the
Nancy Drew Girl Detective and
The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers series,
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys Super Mystery (the space in between the words "Super" and "Mystery" was just not enough if people were talking about it).
After that, there were no more Hardy Boys spinoffs till 1997 when the world and fans were introduced to the Hardy Boys when they were 7 & 8 year-old in the
Frank And Joe Hardy: The Clues Brothers series of books. Starting with Volume 10,
The Walking Snowman, the series was renamed to
The Hardy Boys: The Clues Brothers, and there were 7 volumes printed with that series title before the series came to an end in early 2000.
In November 2004, the Hardy Boys debutted in a new comic book line by Papercutz that only lasted for 3 books and ended in January 2005. However, in March 2005, those three books were collected into the
Hardy Boys Graphic Novel The Ocean Of Osyria, the first book in a line of comic books in novel form.
Only a few weeks after the last
Hardy Boys Digest appeared on store shelves, fans were surprised to see the first four
Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers books, with #1 being priced at $0.99 USD/CDN, hitting store shelves in early April of 2005, even though these four books, as well as the copyright pages, had been listed as coming out in June 2005.
May 2006 saw the spinoff series,
The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers Super Mystery debut with
Wanted. However it appears that this spinoff series only saw 2 books released and either went on hiatus or was just flat out cancelled, since there was no
Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers Super Mystery announced for 2008, which saw a
Special Ghost Stories Edition released.
And the following May also saw the release of a new
Undercover Brothers and
Nancy Drew Girl Detective series,
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys Super Mystery. Because of the similar title with the series from 1988, fans started to put a '07 with a comma at the end of 'Mystery' so that during conversations people could tell the two series apart.
Negative Zone:
Notice I said "modest". And who wants to be a fame-aholic.
Half-kidding.
Also, who wants to be famous and hated.
Half-kidding again.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 08, 2008, 11:05:28 AM
IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN AND GOT UP TO GRADE 8 YOU HAVE TAKEN GEOGRAPHY AND WOULD KNOW THE CAPITAL OF A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY.... PLEASE SHOW A SIGN OF RESPECT TO A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY.
Hey, I bet most Canadians wouldn't know the capital of the US if it wasn't for the fact we...watch American TV, read American magazines, and read American books.
Quote from: SDLagent on October 09, 2008, 12:59:07 AM
Hey, I bet most Canadians wouldn't know the capital of the US if it wasn't for the fact we...watch American TV, read American magazines, and read American books.
Lets see, is the captial of the US Spokane, Washington? ;D ;D
Quote from: SDLagent on October 09, 2008, 12:59:07 AM
Hey, I bet most Canadians wouldn't know the capital of the US if it wasn't for the fact we...watch American TV, read American magazines, and read American books.
The reason for that SDLAGENT is that, America has more people. So therefore they get more TV channels. We however are not blessed with that kind of money. That is because, Canada is smaller, therefore generating less money to be able to have more TV stations.
Though one issue with living in the us of a would be that Google can do road pics and well your liscence plate number could be on it. In Canada you can not put that kind of thing online. So in some ways we are better. But, with the US being so big you get more resources.
So I mean canada is better, on one half, but each of us are gonna care more about our own countries.
Um, I don't think you got what I meant. I mean if Americans watched Canadian TV, and read Canadian books they'd know about Canada, and on the other hand if we didn't watch American TV, and read American books, we wouldn't know about the US.
Point taken?
Yeah, we have a lot of U.S. influence. Can't help it with our proximity.
Part of the reason is the resources thing, which translates into why we're into a lot of foreign content. So pretty much what both of what you said, although you were making different points.
There are many other factors but never mind that.
I admit that my Geography Textbook and every other one was made in the Us. I have to admit though, the paper is probably from China!
Ha ha yeah.
Quote from: bones on October 11, 2008, 08:19:36 PM
I admit that my Geography Textbook and every other one was made in the Us. I have to admit though, the paper is probably from China!
Actually, the paper is probably from some mill in British Columbia.
Who has chinese immigrants working there, either way... I am gonna say.. We always look for cheap labor!
Quote from: bones on October 12, 2008, 11:59:15 AM
Who has chinese immigrants working there, either way... I am gonna say.. We always look for cheap labor!
YOUR NEW NAME A NO NO!
OK, bigfootman. I have just changed my name, back to bozonessinc. Now can we talk about something else. Like my comment about the chinese immigrants.
Yeah, because that's the topic of the thread ::)
Just kidding ;)
You'll find that these drifts happen often :)
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