There has been 16 Undercover Brothers books, plus 2 Super Mysterys and 1 Nancy Drew/Hardy Boys crossover and we still don?t now how old the undercover brothers are. >:(
We can assume the ??new?? hardy boys are the same age as every other Frank and Joe before them, 18 and 17.
But there is evidence that suggests that the boys are younger in this series.
1. The boys are written young.
2. In Mission #9 Martial Law, Chet?s age is given as 16 and we?ve always assumed that Chet and Joe are the same age.
3. In Mission #9 and #16 it says that Brian Conrad is 17, while at never says if he is in Frank or Joe?s class at school, it says his younger sister, Belinda is in Joe?s class this also suggests that Joe is younger then 17.
4. In the current Tom Swift series, Tom Swift, Young Inventor, Tom is 16 years old and I think he is same age as Joe in the Hardy Boys and Tom Swift Ultra Thriller series.
Are Frank and Joe, 16 and 17 in these books?
Although in books Belinda Conrad seems to be in Joe?s class in most books, in Super Mystery #1 Wanted it says that she is in Frank?s. ??? ::)
So who knows how old undercover bros are. What do you think?
Also does any one knows how old Nancy Drew is in the Girl Detective series?
I amnot sure if we can take too much from what classes people are a part. Several schools combine classes for the upper grades. For instance, 11th and 12th graders may both be in the same Advanced Math class.
If it said they were in the same grade, then that might be something of interest though.
Your right, and it does say that Belinda is in Joe?s ??class?? and Brian is in his PE class.
I?m I right about Tom Swift and Joe being the same age, and does anybody now if it ever says how old Nancy Drew is in GD books?
I would have to say that Joe would have to be at least 16, which is the age at which you are allowed to start driving in most parts of the States and Canada.
Wow. I just asumed they were 17 and 18 besides the fact the picture looked younger but didnt question it to much
Good Point. I was thinking of how when Frank turns 19, it would be his last year for ATAC. I assumed they were the same age.
Quote from: Light123 on July 07, 2007, 05:32:43 PM
I was thinking of how when Frank turns 19, it would be his last year for ATAC.
Actually some ATAC agents are 20 years old, like Ernie Bickerstaff in Mission #5.
http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/index.php?nav=atac&sub=suspects&suspect_id=0008 (http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/index.php?nav=atac&sub=suspects&suspect_id=0008)
In the other series Callie is 18 But in the UB Callie doesn't have her divers licencse yet so she's got to 16 or 17 at the oldest.
Quote from: kerin on July 15, 2007, 11:30:36 PM
In the other series Callie is 18 But in the UB Callie doesn't have her divers licencse yet so she's got to 16 or 17 at the oldest.
Not necessarily. I didn't get my drivers license until I was almost 19. One doesn't have to get their license immediately when they turn a certain age.
In the UB's, with Murder At The Mall, we know that Iola, Chet, Frank and Joe are all old enough to work, otherwise, why would Iola be working for Phil's Phranks and Phries? (Who came up with that "groovy" name?). Everytime I read that name in the book, I almost think of people saying it in a Jim Carey/the Grinch-type voice.
I know UB Frank is 17.
Quote from: Sabre on September 19, 2007, 02:26:08 PM
I know UB Frank is 17.
How do you know that Sabre ??? ??? ???
From reading the books and the details/descriptions, I always guessed that Joe is 16 and Frank is 17.
As for Nancy Drew in the Girl Detective series, I have no idea. I have been trying to figure that out because there really hasn't been a book when they mention her at school, which might have given a good clue.
SDLagent, am I correct about that or did I forget about a book that did mention something about ND? :)
I think Wanted mentions Frank's age. (Not sure.)
Quote from: Mirage on September 19, 2007, 02:26:08 PM
I know UB Frank is 17.
Actually, Frank is 18 and it says Joe is a year younger than FRank so that makes him 17. In operation survival it mentions that Joe had a Birthday so I guess he was either 16 in books 1-9 or they are just ageless. I think they are ageless........ ??? :)
It never says their ages in any Undercover Brothers books.
I think it does.? Try google-ing it, maybe... ???
I've read that they are 16(F) and 15(J) in the Classics, but are now 18(F) and 17(J) in the UB books.
Quote from: FrankJoeATAC on July 20, 2008, 11:05:07 AM
I've read that they are 16(F) and 15(J) in the Classics, but are now 18(F) and 17(J) in the UB books.
I knew it !
Actually it has never (N-E-V-E-R), said in any UB books how old Frank and Joe are. In the Casefiles, Digests, and revised originals, they are 18 and 17, so most fans assume they could be that age, but I repeat, never has their age been mentioned in any UB book.
Okay, for your consideration, in Deprivation House, the host of the show, (Victoria, I think?) says that they can't film the contestants constantly because they are all miners, meaning they are all under the age of eighteen, (am I right?) yet, Frank and Joe can drive their motorcycles cross country without an adult with them, but I believe that, according to New Jersey law (which, according to UB #18 Pushed, that is where Bayport is.) you can drive freely with no adult present, at eighteen. So, if that's true, that would mean that, (if Joe is still one year younger then Frank in the UB series) Frank isn't actually a minor after all, which would mean that the continuity of Deprivation House is messed up! Hmmm... :-\
Here's a link to a State of New Jersey FAQ in case I read it wrong! :)
http://www.state.nj.us/faqs/driving.html (http://www.state.nj.us/faqs/driving.html)
You can't drive a car with out a older person, where I live but it's different with motorbikes - you can go in at 16 and get a learners permit, and within a few months you can have your motorbike full licence. So maybe it's the same in New Jersey? (BTW, I didn't read the link ::)) But, I bet, like you said, Sam, this yet another continuity problem!
Hmm...
I'm not completely sure if the site is also referring to motorbikes or not...this is what it says:
QuoteWhat is the driving age in NJ?
In 2001, New Jersey joined 23 other states and several Canadian provinces in implementing a multi-stage driver licensing system.
The new system introduces driving privileges gradually to first-time drivers and applicants under 21 years, extends their practice driving time, and raises the unrestricted basic driver license age from 17 to 18 years.
In Nebraska, the laws are the same. When you turn 16, you can get your POP (Provisional Operators Permit) when you turn 16. This allows you to drive alone, without an adult from the hours of 6 am to midnight. You cannot drive without a licensed adult from midnight to 6 am unless it is for school or work. There are also other restrictions such as how many passengers you can carry and no cell phone use. Your full license removes these restrictions. If you get your full license before you turn 18, you must have had your POP for at least a year. All of these laws apply to cars and motorcycles. If you also drive a motorcycle, you must go through a special course for them to put "licensed for motorcycle use" on your POP or license.
So Frank Shouldn't be able to go on 'Deprivation House'?
no i think its plausible frank is 17 and Joe 16
I always thought they were 18 and 17........
Like I said before they are 18 and 17 in the revised originals, Casefiles, Digests, and other spin-offs, but it never says that in the Undercover Brothers!
I'm just going to stick to 17 and 16 for now, like I said in my other post. It seems to fit more for the HB:UB.
For the first 3 books of the original series (original and revised texts) the Hardy's are 16 and 17 and then age to 17 and 18.
As for motorcycle licences, here in Ontario, from what I remember from the last time I had a temporary licence, people age 16 or older can get an M1 licence which basically allows you to do city driving by yourself, but provincial/national highway driving is not allowed unless their is an M2 or fully licenced M person on the bike with you.
Hi I?m new here and just wanted to say. I?m pretty sure they are 16 and 17, since driving age is usually 16. Also in House Arrest it says no one is 18 or over. (recall the limited camera time) Also I think these are prequels to the because Cheat got his drivers license in the UBs and in The Tower Treasure his car is stolen, in the UBs they get the motorcycles which they have in 1-6 of the classics, and while GN #1 shows F & J to have feelings for C & I they are not yet boyfriend and girlfriend.
Your forgetting one thing, the Hardy's motorcycles in the original series were ordinary motorcycles. The bikes didn't have anything special "spy" gear on them, even 1927 "spy" gear.
maybe the motorcycles had the spy gear removed after ATAC was shut down and everybodys memory of it erased by a superkiss from Superman 8)
Do you know how lame that sounds??????? Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Good points both of you. Well except for the whole mind erasing thing. I totaly can see ATAC taking them, N-Zone; after all they don?t even let the boys keep the money they earn on missions.
I was referring to the end of Superman 2, when Superman erases Lois Lane's memory of Kent being Superman with a superkiss.
The boys being 16 and 17, and this being a prequel makes sense - well as much as trying to tie the UB in with other HB series can (which isn't much)!
But a continuity problem arises; in #17 ''Murder in the Mall'' Iola has her driver's licence, which would mean she is at least 16, even though Chet just recently got his in the earlier books, and he is only 16 himself in Mission #9, and doesn't have a birthday until #21 ''Comic Con Artist''. The only way you can make any sense of this is A) Chet has his 17th birthday somewhere between #9 and #7, and turns 18 in #21 (sorry time doesn't pass that fast in Hardy World) or B) Chet and Iola are twins.
Somehow I don't think Chet and Iola are suppose to be twins. I seem to recall that in the original series and even the Casefiles that Iola was referred to as Chet's younger sister.
Wasn't Chet adopted? Isn't that said in the one where Mock tries to kill the Hardys and Chet is thought to be Bobby Mock? Flesh and Blood I think?
Quote from: tomswift2002 on August 05, 2008, 04:09:35 PM
Somehow I don't think Chet and Iola are suppose to be twins. I seem to recall that in the original series and even the Casefiles that Iola was referred to as Chet's younger sister.
I wasn't actually serous about that, I meant it as sort of a joke! It just shows how crazy the continuity is in UB!
Quote from: negative_zone on August 06, 2008, 08:58:52 AM
Wasn't Chet adopted? Isn't that said in the one where Mock tries to kill the Hardys and Chet is thought to be Bobby Mock? Flesh and Blood I think?
PLOT SPOILERS BELOW FOR CASEFILES #39
FLESH AND BLOODIt is said in Casefiles #39
Flesh And Blood, but later in the book it is revealed that Bobby Mock, because he was on the Bayport Police Force, was able to get into Bayport City Hall, alter his adoption papers and computer files, and point the finger at Chet. At the end it turned out that Chet Morton was the bilogical son of Mr. and Mrs. Morton.
About the Prequils, I noticed a few more things. First the Sleuth is missing. Second in the Classics it list Fenton as a retired NY cop who became a PI, but in the UBs he is just a retired cop.
In the original continuity the Hardy Boys did not buy the Sleuth until #3 The Secret Of The Old Mill (original/revised), so in that continuity the only books that don't mention or where the Sleuth is not yet owned by the Hardy Boys are The Tower Treasure and The House On The Cliff (of course, in the British Collins series, for some strange reason, the Hardy's use the Sleuth before they buy it, since it is mentioned in #10 of that series, While The Clock Ticked, that the Sleuth was in the Hardy boat house at the marina, but the boys don't buy or own the boat till #16 The Secret of The Old Mill.
Even the Casefiles list Fenton Hardy as being a retired New York cop. Infact, in Casefiles #5 [i}Edge Of Destruction[/i] we are introduced to the chief of the New York Police Department, Sam Peterson, who used to be Fenton's partner.
You know, this is totally off topic, but the name of the thread reminded me of the Chinese girls gymnastics team. They look about 10, they are still losing teeth, several Chinese websites reported they were 14 less than a year ago, but they mysteriously have passports saying they are 16, just at the legal age for competition.
Thats what I mean they don't have the boat since they have not bought it yet.
I'm also off-topic too for a second. Sorry, but n_zone got me thinking ;) (That's strange about the gymnastics team. Conspiracy, I say! Well, sorta. Where's the Hardys? 8))
My dad told me that he found out that some Chinese child/girl won some kind of contest in China like American Idol, but because she wasn't good looking (I'm not sure if she was deformed or not) and had bad teeth, they put someone else to stand in her place with her voice (I think) :-\
I believe you are talking about the Olympic opening ceremonies. The girl who sang the song that was played was deemed not attractive enough, so the Chinese government had someone else lip synch.
Yeah, it's obvious I wasn't completely straight on the details :P
On the prequel topic, at first i tried and tried to fit the UB continuity in with the other Hardy Boys continuities, but it just can't be done! I'm sure S&S isn't even attempting to fit it in with the past series. the Undercover Brothers is AU in my opinion!
Quote from: SDLagent on August 14, 2008, 09:36:36 PM
I'm sure S&S isn't even attempting to fit it in with the past series. the Undercover Brothers is AU in my opinion!
AU? Might as well be Myriad Universes of Hardy's.
How about a distant spin-off? As in, it spun off from the original premise ... ending up far, far away ;)
Wasn't the Casefiles considered a spin-off? I don't mean that in a negative way, though (that word usually has negative connotations). Because it basically took the premise, but placed it into a different context while staying true to the overall series.
The Casefiles were a spin-off of the original/digest continuity. Back in 1984, when Simon & Schuster bought out the Stratemeyer Syndicate, S&S put an end to the 20 chapter books after they published the last Syndicate produced book, The Swamp Monster. At that time S&S thought that the series could use some revamping, since apparently while the series was still doing fine, sales were dropping off, and they wanted to take the Original/Digest line in a different direction. So the first 2 Hardy Boys books produced by Simon & Schuster, #84 Revenge Of The Desert Phantom and #85 The Skyfire Puzzle were written in a shortened format, with the action being pumped up to unseen levels never before seen in the series, and the stories were written more for the teenage reading crowd, rather than the 8-12/everybody crowd.
Unfortunately, while S&S did see a lot of interest in the new style, they also saw that people were not picking up the series any more than before they tried the experiment. So, S&S cancelled the book that would've been #86 in the series and ended the series with #85 The Skyfire Puzzle.
S&S did the same to the Nancy Drew series. Then, in the summer of 1986 bookstores saw the debut of The Nancy Drew Files, a higher pulse pounding series of detective stories, written for the pre-teen/high school crowd, with murders, romance, international intrigue running rampant throughout the series. This was a completly different take on Nancy Drew. And sales soared. with several books appearing on the Publishers Weekly, B.Dalton and Walden Books bestsellers lists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Drew_Files).
Because of the success of the Nancy Drew Files Simon & Schuster got the idea that maybe the Hardy Boys could also benefit from a new series. And S&S knew that they had already planted the seeds for this new series with the last 2 Hardy Boys books that had been published. But, they realized that they would have to do more to seperate the new series from the old series. So the plot element of killing off a character that had been close to the Hardy's in the original series came up. And, S&S figured, why not make one of the Hardy's a skirt chaser. So S&S decided to kill Iola and give Joe the job of being the skirt chaser with a huge chip on his shoulder.
So, when the The Hardy Boys Casefiles debutted in April 1987, S&S found that sales for both series were picking up, since people were loving the way the Hardy Boys had been rejuvenated, but at the same time, the buying public also wanted new stories in the cancelled Original/Digest line. So S&S quickly restarted the Digest line, but instead of going back to #1, they had a new #86 quickly written and edited so that The Mystery of The Silver Star could debut in September 1987, a story that was completly different from another story that had been written almost 2 years earlier to be in the same vein as #'s 84 & 85. And as they say, the rest is history...
Wow. I knew bits and pieces of that, but thanks! Very well-put.
All the series running at the same time as the Original/Digest series are spin-off of that, the SuperMysteries, and Ultra Thrillers being spin-offs of the spin-off Casefiles.
The Undercover Brothers isn't a spin-off but rather a replacement or continuity reboot of the Original/Digest, and the Undercover Brothers Super Mystery series, and Super Mystery '07 series, are a spin-off of the Undercover brothers.
Quote from: SDLagent on August 15, 2008, 03:48:34 PM
All the series running at the same time as the Original/Digest series are spin-off of that, the SuperMysteries, and Ultra Thrillers being spin-offs of the spin-off Casefiles.
The Undercover Brothers isn't a spin-off but rather a replacement or continuity reboot of the Original/Digest, and the Undercover Brothers Super Mystery series, and Super Mystery '07 series, are a spin-off of the Undercover brothers.
When you put it like that, that's kind of sad. Or funny. However you want to look at it lol.
Quote from: SDLagent on August 15, 2008, 03:48:34 PM
The Undercover Brothers isn't a spin-off but rather a replacement or continuity reboot of the Original/Digest, and the Undercover Brothers Super Mystery series, and Super Mystery '07 series, are a spin-off of the Undercover brothers.
Well, so much for a reboot. It seems like the UB series is like a computer that keeps getting stuck at the beginning of its booting cycle, it just keeps rebooting now matter what you do to it, besides pulling its plug.
Quote from: SDLagent on August 14, 2008, 09:36:36 PM
On the prequel topic, at first i tried and tried to fit the UB continuity in with the other Hardy Boys continuities, but it just can't be done! I'm sure S&S isn't even attempting to fit it in with the past series. the Undercover Brothers is AU in my opinion!
You're obviously forgetting the mind-wiping. Most likely administered by a super-kiss.
I think frank is 18 and joe is 17 because in book # 10 0f the hardy boys undercover named blown away it said in the beginning joe had gotten a brand new game system from his last birthday which was in november.
What makes you think that makes them 17 and 18?
BTW, welcome to MPF!
In my opinion, I think it depends on the series. But we all know the originals originally started out with 16 & 17 (or was it 15 & 16?) and then jumped to 17 & 18.
well they were younger in the origianls and then in the blue spines they aged
Originally the Hardy's started off at 16 & 17 and then were aged to 17 & 18 so that they would not be breaking any laws in the US or Canada by driving under the age.
is that why they changed them? i didnt know that!
I'm not to certain on the history of driving laws, but I believe that when cars first came out, as long as you knew how to drive a horse-and-buggy, you could drive a car.
Yeah, supposed in the 30's there were the same amount of deaths from driving as there are today, even though theres like a ton more people driving now because of that and no seat belts and bad cars and roads. There's a funny quote in the original Great Airport Mystery where Joe says airplanes will be as safe as their cars one day.
Quote from: negative_zone on August 17, 2008, 07:04:21 PM
Yeah, supposed in the 30's there were the same amount of deaths from driving as there are today, even though theres like a ton more people driving now because of that and no seat belts and bad cars and roads. There's a funny quote in the original Great Airport Mystery where Joe says airplanes will be as safe as their cars one day.
And in the first Christopher Reeve
Superman movie and
Superman Returns, Superman says that air travel is still the safest way to travel.
I guess statistically it is, but it's a lot easier and more memorable to take over a plane full of passengers then a bus.
I Read 17 and 16, too.
I read 17 & 18. :-\ ??? ::) :)
Where are you reading this? No where in any of the UB continuity books has it ever said their ages!
Yeah, I know that in the original continuity the boys start out at 16 and 17, but then age by #9 The Great Airport Mystery to 17 & 18 and graduate in the aforementioned book. After that, the boys are 17 and 18 all the way through to #190 Motocross Madness.
In the Casefiles the Hardys are 17 & 18 right from book 1.
In the Undercover Brothers continuity, at times, the Hardys seem to be as immature as 7 and 8, while other times they seem to be 15 & 16.
Actullay in the first Original continuity books they are 15 and 16, then age two years in #9. I don't think they are ever said to be 16 and 17 in any of the series. It's the missing year...
Actually, while they are 15 and 16, respectively, in #3 The Secret Of The Old Mill mention is made that it had been nearly a year since #2 The House On The Cliff (in HOTC mention is made that it takes place in the month of June, while SOTOM mentions that summer, fall and winter had passed with no adventures occuring between, and that SOTOM was set in the spring of the following year).
I guess you could put the following books in this type of continuity:
#4 The Missing Chums
#6 The Shore Road Mystery
#7 The Secret of The Caves
#8 The Mystery of Cabin Island
#5 Hunting For Hidden Gold (mention is made of snowball fights in Bayport, indicating that the adventure takes place in winter, most likely January-February)
#9 The Great Airport Mystery.
You have to remember that up until The Hardy Boys, in all the series by the Stratemeyer Syndicate, characters aged normally, so this is what was likely planned for The Hardy Boys, as well. But when the boys were already out of high school by volume #9, the Syndicate realized that the boys were aging much to quickly and would soon be to old for the target audience (like would happen in 10 years with with their Tom Swift Sr. series) so they decided to implement a floating timeline.
Yeah... :-\
Are they not like 17 or 18 because they both can drive right? So if you can drive a vehicle, then you need to be 16 and you have to have your G2 and then Motorbike liscense so they have to be like seventeen.
Any Objections?
no, you can get both of those at 16
I was just reading the beginning of Deprivation House last night and I noticed that on page 23 Veronica mentions that, aside from her and the television crew, everyone of the contestants is a minor. So I would say that that would make Frank 17 and Joe 16, especially since there was no mention of the boys having to pretend that they were a year younger than they actually are. Now then if Frank was 18 then I don't think Veronica would've said that they were all minors, since Frank would be considered an adult at the age of 18 in the United States (and Canada).
Yes, but how do they have motorbike liscenses? Why don't they get pulled over for not having a liscence?
Or did Cheif Collig give them some special liscense?
Where I live you can drive a motorbike by on the road by 16.
Yeah, how long does it take to get a liscense? Ill look it up..
"New motorcycle riders with a Class M1 licence learn to ride under these four conditions:
? your blood alcohol level must be zero;
? you must ride only during daylight hours (1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset);
? you must not ride on highways with speed limits of more than 80 km/h except highways 11, 17, 61, 69, 71, 101, 102, 144, 655;
? you cannot carry passengers.
After you pass a motorcycle knowledge test, you will get a Class M1 licence and an information package for new riders. You must spend a minimum of 60 days with a Class M1 licence, which is valid for 90 days. "(*http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/*)
This is for Canada.
I don't know what it is for the USA so I guess your right they could be able to...
In NE you can get it at 16 after completing some course
Quote from: bozonessinc on September 30, 2008, 02:32:56 PM
Yeah, how long does it take to get a liscense? Ill look it up..
"New motorcycle riders with a Class M1 licence learn to ride under these four conditions:
? your blood alcohol level must be zero;
? you must ride only during daylight hours (1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset);
? you must not ride on highways with speed limits of more than 80 km/h except highways 11, 17, 61, 69, 71, 101, 102, 144, 655;
? you cannot carry passengers.
After you pass a motorcycle knowledge test, you will get a Class M1 licence and an information package for new riders. You must spend a minimum of 60 days with a Class M1 licence, which is valid for 90 days. "(*http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/*)
This is for Canada.
I don't know what it is for the USA so I guess your right they could be able to...
I think that is just for Ontario, Canada.
Yep, it's different, here, in BC.
Really? Ok, well we should get the american rules, cause Bayport is american is it not?
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 01, 2008, 10:56:52 AM
Really? Ok, well we should get the american rules, cause Bayport is american is it not?
We should maybe get the New York and New Jersey laws.
Just wandering, did it say in one of the books that Bayport was in New York State?
In the Undercover Brothers Bayport has flip-flopped between New York and New Jersey. I believe that it was in Hurricane Joe, Bayport is mentioned as being in New York, whereas in Bayport Buccaneers Bayport is mentioned to be in New Jersey.
Which is to say. It proves your point that some of them don't read the last books.... Maybe its on the border, half on one side, and half on the other.
I really think they are 16 and 17 in the UBs. I just didn't pull those numbers from nowhere. I know I probably read something in one or more books that gave me that line of thinking.
Anyways, since the continuity's messed up, they probably say a lot of different things giving different impressions. However, we should probably go with the majority of times in what they said. If it seems like they are 17 & 18 in one book, but the rest are not like that then like I said, go with the majority.
How about we say all of the ubs happen during a month period. Nothing that much changes throughout the books as far as aging is concerned!
What? Bones, have you ever noticed that you make no sense. They still have an age!! They are alive, they might not age (verb) but they have an age (noun)!!
I meant the age does stay the same Nzone, please do not say what I am not saying.... I want to let you know my name is BOZONESSINC and not bones.....
bozonessinc
Wow, your parents must be jerks giving you a name like that! I can't imagine what it's like you at school, man!
"Hi, my names Conrad."
"Hey, Conrad, I'm bozonessic."
"Say that again..."
You should really consider a name change when you get older...for the sake of your career. No one's going to be able to take you seriously, man.Every one 'ill think your joking. That's my advice anyways.
Think about it.
*Choking trying to hold in laughter. Laughter eventually escapes and I roll around on the floor. Hey look a Skittle*
Nzone if there is a reply to this in 5 minutes I will change my name on here to bones. I am starting a thread called that because I figure now that if you all really want that then I guess I give up!
Bones is dumb. BTW I like your signiture!
Yeah, Bones is dumb. Would it kill Nzone to take a few more seconds to type your full username?
well thanks for the compliments of my new username!
In honor of your new user name:
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Oh and I hound this: (Yeah I digging trough Best Smileys for Bones)
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Quote from: bones on October 12, 2008, 12:10:22 PM
well thanks for the compliments of my new username!
I'm sorry! I posted that last night when you still had your old username! :-[
Robin...you always go the extra mile.
Quote from: bones on October 12, 2008, 12:10:22 PM
well thanks for the compliments of my new username!
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't do things to make NZone happy!
I don't know if it will make him happy. The whole point was that he called him a name that wasn't his name. Or something.
Then again, it could be seen as a victory...
Maybe to him. ::)
Yeah, that's what I meant. And maybe it seems like a defeat to...bones? I don't know what to call him.
If you want him to change his name, juist keep calling him bozonessinc. :)
What is "bozonessinc" anyways? Was it ever explained? If so, I probably missed it. And I normally read most of the stuff on here.
I have no idea.
Would everyone like a definition of why my name is bozonessinc, I have not given a reason yet
Please :)
Por favor, ease-play, Bitte, 'olu 'olu, Tolong, Puede ba, Juseyo, Te amabo, Sis! (Translation: Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please!)
No quiero escuchar el razone para lo que es su nombre.
What? ??? I just looked up 'how do you say please in languages?'
Se. Pero no necesito usar un libro para hablar in espanol, porque soy muy inteligente, y puedo hablar in tres linguias muy bueno. (Me parece que el nombre de bones es de su nombre real)
It wasn't neccesary to look it up you can speak Spanish because you are smart and something about how your languages are real?
close, but no cigar
Je vous frapperais que tous les deux avalent une cheville si je pourrais ?crire dessus ici dans l'Ukrainien.
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BTW, I translated this online and it's totally wrong ::)
Hello,
This is the reason the name bozonessinc came from... (NOTICE TRY NOT TO SNOOZE OFF)
Bozonessinc: When I wanted to create a website my friend decided to be an idiot and say I should call it bozo the site. But bozo.com is taken by Bozo the clown the most unupdated site ever. So then he said, why not bozoness? I knew it sounded stupid, but I decided to go with it. The inc part is incorporated, my site wasn't a buisness.... But, I wanted it to sound profressional. So it becomes bozonessinc. The site of course called bozoness.... I decided not to publish it at that address, right now I am working on a new site. And will send you all a link when it comes out. Hope this definition works for you, please do not make fun of my definition.
So the mystery is revealed.
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 13, 2008, 10:03:31 PM
Je vous frapperais que tous les deux avalent une cheville si je pourrais ?crire dessus ici dans l'Ukrainien.
I only know a little French. "I surrender!! Don't shoot!"
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 13, 2008, 10:03:31 PM
Je vous frapperais que tous les deux avalent une cheville si je pourrais ?crire dessus ici dans l'Ukrainien.
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?? ???????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?? Ukraninan ???.
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 13, 2008, 06:32:08 PM
Se. Pero no necesito usar un libro para hablar in espanol, porque soy muy inteligente, y puedo hablar in tres linguias muy bueno. (Me parece que el nombre de bones es de su nombre real)
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 13, 2008, 06:25:48 PM
No quiero escuchar el razone para lo que es su nombre.
What does that mean!?! :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 14, 2008, 07:09:39 PM
What does that mean!?! :'( :'( :'(
I think that you can easily translate the saying into:
I would hit you that both swallow an ankle if I could write in the Ukrainian over here. And it is repeated in Cantonese, Russian and Spanish.
Oh. Really?
That's not Russian, I know Russian, that's not it.
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 14, 2008, 05:52:47 PM
I only know a little French. "I surrender!! Don't shoot!"
Nice try. Ignorance is no excuse before the law. Or something. Fabricating translations is a no-no. And yeah, I said the latter because I'm tough with my words.
Anyways, it's French, Japanese and Greek.
"I would knock both of you down a peg if I could write in Ukranian on here".
(This is a rhetorical question) Where did the "swallow an ankle" come from anyways? That's what I got too when I translated back the other way ::)
Probably because I said an expression, and that doesn't always cross well over languages because of different cultures/customs.
Here's the correct translation into French that you were looking for:
Je cognerais vous deux en bas une pat?re si je pourrais ?crire dans Ukranian sur ici
And when you translate it back, it comes out to this:
I would bash two you down a peg if I could write in Ukranian on here
http://translation2.paralink.com/
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 14, 2008, 09:33:38 PM
(This is a rhetorical question) Where did the "swallow an ankle" come from anyways? That's what I got too when I translated back the other way ::)
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 14, 2008, 07:46:25 PM
I think that you can easily translate the saying into: I would hit you that both swallow an ankle if I could write in the Ukrainian over here. And it is repeated in Cantonese, Russian and Spanish.
Yeah, I did a literal translation of what you had said and came out with "Swallow the ankle".
Swallow the ankle ... LOL!
Was that a satisfying definition of why my name is bozonessinc. Besides, there was no other name that I really wanted to go by.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 15, 2008, 08:11:02 AM
Here's the correct translation into French that you were looking for:
Je cognerais vous deux en bas une pat?re si je pourrais ?crire dans Ukranian sur ici
And when you translate it back, it comes out to this:
I would bash two you down a peg if I could write in Ukranian on here
http://translation2.paralink.com/
Ah, okay. Bash, knock, same diff.
Why are you hitting or bashing things, I just gave you a definition of my name!
Can you read previous posts and understand what's going on? Obviously not
Oh the Ukrainian thing. I guess I was getting a little off what you were talking about!!
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 14, 2008, 09:33:38 PM
"I would knock both of you down a peg if I could write in Ukranian on here".
Can you speak in fluent Ukrainian, Olivia?
I know people that can!!
Good for you.
Was that sarcasm SDLagent. I was adding to the subject we were currently on, I was just saying that I know people that do... SHEESH!
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 18, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
Was that sarcasm SDLagent. I was adding to the subject we were currently on, I was just saying that I know people that do... SHEESH!
Do you have to ask? SDLagent is the most sarcastic 15 year old I have ever met. (including myself)
Which is not a bad thing, I think it's awesome! lol! ;D
Sorry I haven't "got to know" everyone on the forum yet!
Here's a decent reference for that:
Try Here (http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/forums/index.php?topic=962.0)
Well, it won't tell you everything...it's more about us in person.
Quote from: Sam Spade on October 17, 2008, 03:47:44 AM
Can you speak in fluent Ukrainian, Olivia?
I understand it mostly, speak some, write none (especially because I'm not familiar with the letters/symbols - it's not English letters).
If I applied myself more I probably would be better in that respect.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 18, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
Was that sarcasm SDLagent. I was adding to the subject we were currently on, I was just saying that I know people that do... SHEESH!
Yeah, it was. Oh, and for the record I know a few people who can speak it.
Quote from: Sam Spade on October 18, 2008, 05:22:09 PM
Do you have to ask? SDLagent is the most sarcastic 15 year old I have ever met.
Wow. Really?
In the describe yourself topic, you said you were "Sarcastic". :D
Maybe he was sarcastic about being sarcastic ;)
Back on topic:
In MH it says Brynn is 15 so it would be wierd if Frank was more than a cople years older.
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 19, 2008, 05:41:57 PM
Back on topic:
In MH it says Brynn is 15 so it would be wierd if Frank was more than a cople years older.
So that would mean that the Hardys are what? Between 13 and 15 years old in Murder House? Then how could they be riding their motorcycles in the other books?
Quote from: SDLagent on October 18, 2008, 09:44:09 PM
Wow. Really?
Yeah. I think so.
Isn't sarcasm awesome! :D
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 19, 2008, 07:06:56 PM
So that would mean that the Hardys are what? Between 13 and 15 years old in Murder House? Then how could they be riding their motorcycles in the other books?
I don't think they are between 13 adn 15, maybe 16 and 17.
I thought 17 and 18. :-\
Hey SDL, can you please go back and edit the title of this topic. I know it's kinda A.R. of me, but the "thay" really bothers me for some reason. Can you correct the spelling to "they"? :)
I know! I was surprised SDL made that spelling mistake!
Edited by me.. wonder if changing the name works?
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 19, 2008, 09:01:09 PM
I thought 17 and 18. :-\
I hope not, if Frank was in "looove" with a 15 year old.
What about 16 and 16 since they are 9 months appart and not a year.
What? I dont' GET THAT
They said that in one of the UBs. Or was it 11 mounths or 10.
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 20, 2008, 06:16:35 PM
They said that in one of the UBs. Or was it 11 mounths or 10.
At leas 9 months.. Cause it would be impossible if not.. Unless one was born early!
It's 11 months. It said so in ''Wanted''.
Quote from: SDLagent on October 21, 2008, 11:06:00 PM
It's 11 months. It said so in ''Wanted''.
oh Yeah! Wanted was better then the other supermystery I found. The hardy boys replicas, I really did not predict that.
Quote from: SDLagent on October 20, 2008, 02:51:58 PM
I hope not, if Frank was in "looove" with a 15 year old.
Uh, what's wrong with being like two years apart. That's nothing.
I guess it's a bigger deal if your a teenager or something.
Well, he'd be three year older at 18. Also, people in America get married at 18 (maybe not men, but women do), but you don't see to many 15 year olds doing that do you?
I'm guessing you're meaning maturity or something, right? Because you can just about get married at any age as long as there is some kind of consent, and I don't know what marriage has to do with this.
Still, can you see Casefiles Frank dating a 15 year old?
This isn't Casefiles though. So maybe it seems more plausible that way? To me, anyways. I still think in the UBs they are 15/16 or 16/17.
Well, the original point I was tring to make here, was because of Brynn being 15, I don't think Frank is 18.
well, did he know she was 15?
Well, Joe did. So, I'm guessing he would have told Frank, since they were on a mission.
But, sometimes there were not chances. They were on camera alot of the time and supposed to be enemies. Its hard to be enemies when your discussing girls that you all like. So unless it was during one of the times in the closet, we can say that Joe may not have told Frank!
I'm pretty sure that Frank could have guessed because he is a detective, after all and even the average person would probably someone sense someone's age after living in the house like that and/or hanging out with each other.
Plus, Joe and Frank would have told each other about the suspects as much as possible.
I guess so, but its hard to tell people age. I can't really tell some of the people I knows age, because well they act younger or they act way older then they are.
Well, in the book there's a smaller age range compared to 0-100. Or do you just mean with teens it's hard to tell too? Because I understand that - I was always seen as older than I was. Except once.
Edited: Because I added a little too much real-life detail about the time I was seen as younger ;)
Quote from: SDLagent on October 23, 2008, 07:57:26 PM
Well, Joe did. So, I'm guessing he would have told Frank, since they were on a mission.
Plus, considering that Brynn's age was on one of those "Suspect" page which is supposedly compiled by the Hardys it states that her age is 15.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 24, 2008, 08:01:26 PM
Plus, considering that Brynn's age was on one of those "Suspect" page which is supposedly compiled by the Hardys it states that her age is 15.
Hey tom,
Theres something I have always wondered about, how do they get information about the suspect. There locked up in a Jail in Haunted and they still have a full suspect profile.. It makes you wonder!
You don't know about their tattoo-radio?
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 25, 2008, 01:30:01 PM
Hey tom,
Theres something I have always wondered about, how do they get information about the suspect. There locked up in a Jail in Haunted and they still have a full suspect profile.. It makes you wonder!
Yeah, I've wondered that two, since there are things on that profile that I don't see ever getting mentioned in the book and yet it is on the suspect profile of the person, such as the person's age, or their hometown, or a hobby that is never mentioned.
Like, where do the Hardys get that stuff that is not mentioned. Of course, that is like on TV shows when you hear someone mention that somebody was in a certain place at a certain time, and yet if they showed the place at that time you will usually see the a couple of people, but never the person that is being referred to later on.
I understand if there dad was faxing the files to them. How of course would he due that if they are locked up and not able to contact there father
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 25, 2008, 01:30:01 PM
Hey tom,
Theres something I have always wondered about, how do they get information about the suspect. There locked up in a Jail in Haunted and they still have a full suspect profile.. It makes you wonder!
This is probably the least talked about part of the UB - the Suspect Profiles. I don't think there is any explanation to how they get the info. But...just thinking of it now. Could these profiles be something the Hardys make after the mission, for when they're telling the story? Since they never mention writing them, and when undercover I don't think having carrying paper around, untitled "Suspect Profile" would be a good idea.
I sort of thought about that in passing...the books, although they're in the present, could sort of be told as a story that already happened. So then they add in all this stuff as it goes along. You know how they do that on TV and movies sometimes? Add some info here and there for the viewer's benefit?
But more likely, Vijay and them somehow accumulate the intelligence. They probably know some things before they go in, and learn along the way.
Yeah, because if you were going on a mission like that to find a culprit or something, you would want to know background info on everyone instead of knowing nothing at all.
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 25, 2008, 09:10:17 PM
I sort of thought about that in passing...the books, although they're in the present, could sort of be told as a story that already happened. So then they add in all this stuff as it goes along. You know how they do that on TV and movies sometimes? Add some info here and there for the viewer's benefit?
But more likely, Vijay and them somehow accumulate the intelligence. They probably know some things before they go in, and learn along the way.
Actually, there not in "the present", considering they're written in past tense, rather then present tense.
Quote from: SDLagent on October 26, 2008, 01:18:58 AM
Actually, there not in "the present", considering they're written in past tense, rather then present tense.
Yes, cause sometimes one of them cuts, in, and the other one goes "no I'm telling this part of the story. So its in the past tense, why go back and make a suspect profile though. For the good of the reader?
After every story they go to ATAC headquaters. There they tell there story to the ATAC head of records Franklin W. Dixion, who records every thing they say and adds it to the government infromation library. Also it is his job to record all of F&J's nonATAC cases but these he must gather him self and thus are not recorded in 1st person. 8)
Quote from: SDLagent on October 26, 2008, 01:18:58 AM
Actually, there not in "the present", considering they're written in past tense, rather then present tense.
See, I couldn't even recall that. How sad. But don't they mix past and present somehow? Or it just seems that way.
Quote from: FrankJoeATAC on October 25, 2008, 09:14:01 PM
Yeah, because if you were going on a mission like that to find a culprit or something, you would want to know background info on everyone instead of knowing nothing at all.
Yeah, but there are a few problems with that. First off, in the
Murder House trilogy, the first book has the ATAC disc telling the Hardys that they'll get the rest of the information
after arriving at Deprivation House. The disc tells them practically zip about the case. So, not even ATAC knew what was going on.
Plus, considering that there are details that are not even mentioned in any of the conversations, how, exactly, do the Hardys get information such as age, hobbies, school record. Plus, with the cases, ATAC doesn't know everybody that the Hardys are going to run into when the cases are first sent out, so if the Hardys meet someone halfway through, how can ATAC know that the Hardys have met so and so?
Hello! TATOO RADIO!
GO AWAY! I'm always about to post and then you pop up! Now I have to quote!
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 26, 2008, 02:55:07 PM
Yeah, but there are a few problems with that. First off, in the Murder House trilogy, the first book has the ATAC disc telling the Hardys that they'll get the rest of the information after arriving at Deprivation House. The disc tells them practically zip about the case. So, not even ATAC knew what was going on.
Plus, considering that there are details that are not even mentioned in any of the conversations, how, exactly, do the Hardys get information such as age, hobbies, school record. Plus, with the cases, ATAC doesn't know everybody that the Hardys are going to run into when the cases are first sent out, so if the Hardys meet someone halfway through, how can ATAC know that the Hardys have met so and so?
So it's told as a story that's already happened I guess so that's how they already have all the info?
And maybe ATAC does know the info, but they just don't want it out until a certain time. Who knows why they do what they do. Maybe they think it's to protect any accidental "slippage".
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 26, 2008, 02:58:39 PM
And maybe ATAC does know the info, but they just don't want it out until a certain time. Who knows why they do what they do. Maybe they think it's to protect any accidental "slippage".
What slippage? The discs reformat themselves. Oh, wait, no ATAC is afraid that the slippage will occur if someone other than Frank and Joe listen to the music CD and hear the mission in the music notes of the songs.
I mean if Joe talks about it outloud. I don't know, I'm just putting together random things.
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 26, 2008, 02:58:39 PM
GO AWAY! I'm always about to post and then you pop up! Now I have to quote!
Wow, that was brutal. I actually sound like I'm yelling. Sorrrrrrry.
*Sniff sniff* I'm sorry. *cries* I didn't mean to, please dont yell again.
Hell hath no fury...
You'll never do it again, huh? It's already happened "x" amount of times.
Well what's x? 0?
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whoa, I have tons of posts
Yeah, he cut in front of me that many times. Someone finish him off.
Sorry, sleeping beauty doesn't have any powers... :'( You finish him off!
Huh? With my fake Iola and Tinkerbell? Yeah, that'll do it.
Better yet, go to your room and think about what you've done, NZone! Sit on a chair facing a corner wall!
How do you know what a corner is? You live in Canada in an igloo
Oh, yeah Olivia. NZone doesn't know what a corner is. He lives under a rock.
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 26, 2008, 03:52:40 PM
How do you know what a corner is? You live in Canada in an igloo
Because I spend all of my free time ordering off of Amazon and studying how the better half lives.
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 26, 2008, 03:53:46 PM
Oh, yeah Olivia. NZone doesn't know what a corner is. He lives under a rock.
I'm assuming that you've seen this when you've gone hiking.
Yeah, he jumped out at me and demanded all my junk food. He scared me to death! :o
Oh! That coulda been my evil twin, Positive Area.
Your evil twin? Or are you the evil twin?
He is the evil twin
Are you sure? Maybe your the evil twin trying to make us think he's the evil twin when you really are! :o
So I guess half the time Positive Area is the one posting, and you're not. Although you never mentioned that you don't remember posting certain posts. However, people would have probably answered you by then and then it would be shoved way back into the thread.
Or maybe you were just hypnotized.
I can't be hypnotized, remember? You tried that
Well, there's some difference between hypnotism and voodoo. Now, where did I put the doll of you...
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 26, 2008, 12:32:50 PM
See, I couldn't even recall that. How sad. But don't they mix past and present somehow? Or it just seems that way.
Okay, this is present tense:
"I looked a saw a huge goon running toward me. I yelled.''...and this is past tense:
"I look and see a huge goon running toward me. I yell"
Nzone are you sure you can't be hypnotized. What kind of security do you get underneath that rock?
haha SDL ... good one ::)
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 28, 2008, 10:58:10 AM
Nzone are you sure you can't be hypnotized. What kind of security do you get underneath that rock?
He doesn't get security under his rock. Except for the protection of his tribe or whatever who live with him.
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 28, 2008, 04:48:41 PM
He doesn't get security under his rock. Except for the protection of his tribe or whatever who live with him.
Hey you forgot that he scared them away with his chainsaw.
They did not run fast enough, everyone living with him was blown to pieces!
Quote from: SDLagent on October 28, 2008, 01:38:26 AM
Okay, this is present tense:
"I looked a saw a huge goon running toward me. I yelled.''
...and this is past tense:
"I look and see a huge goon running toward me. I yell"
I guess you missed the part where I said I don't "recall" and it "seems" a certain way.
Anyways, the first chapter of a UB is always/usually at the end of a mission and it's in past tense. But then my brain does this psychological thing where it thinks the rest of the book would suddenly go into the present.
Also, I only own the first 8 books which are still packaged up so I have nothing to refer to. Yeah, I read almost every UB book so far but it all blends together. But you cleared up that it doesn't have any present tense, so.
UBs are in past tense. The easy way to check is finding weather it says "Said" or "Says". The only books I know of that are in Present tense are Rick Barba's Spy Gear books.
That's what I was saying. No one seemed to get my point though.
Poor SDL! :'(
Quote from: 003Robin457 on November 01, 2008, 05:44:45 PM
Poor SDL! :'(
No one ever seems to except my points either!
Quote from: bozonessinc on November 01, 2008, 09:08:11 PM
No one ever seems to except my points either!
Well, that's for a good reason. ::)
Really, considering that I have said that there are some very good network books. I am thinking about writing some reviews of a couple of Network books, I am still of course undecided. I do think that network books are a little bit better then the UBs.
I know that my fellow UB fans will hate me for this, but it is not as if I am a full fledged member of the Network Fans!
I like Casefiles and the Network, but I am NOT a NetworkER. Because networkers are members who dislike UBs becuse they compare them to other series. They have to compare one book to all the other books before they can enjoy it.
That I think is a bad thing. There should not be that kind of a comparison. They should be discussing the book in comparison to the same series. Not just comparing to another series.
Exactly!!
That is totally not true and an unfair assumption. In the past, I only read two Super Mysteries. I didn't read anything for years and years until the UBs came out. When I read them, I didn't compare them to anything because I didn't really have anything to compare them to. And I waited until I read a few until I really took a stance. If I only read one and took a stance, I would all-out hate them. But I read more and some weren't that bad.
I might've, and emphasis on might've read a handful of Originals or Digests in the meantime.
And anyways, many people can make a case for why they don't like the UBs without comparing. There are lists. For example, Joe and Frank's personalities, the continuity, etc. Even so, comparing is a sound basis for determining the quality of something as long as it's done right.
BTW, we have talked about UB books in comparison to other UB books.
I see what you two are saying, but you can't lump everything and everyone into one category.
Quote from: Goddess on November 04, 2008, 02:13:09 PM
That is totally not true and an unfair assumption. In the past, I only read two Super Mysteries. I didn't read anything for years and years until the UBs came out. When I read them, I didn't compare them to anything because I didn't really have anything to compare them to. And I waited until I read a few until I really took a stance. If I only read one and took a stance, I would all-out hate them. But I read more and some weren't that bad.
I might've, and emphasis on might've read a handful of Originals or Digests in the meantime.
And anyways, many people can make a case for why they don't like the UBs without comparing. There are lists. For example, Joe and Frank's personalities, the continuity, etc. Even so, comparing is a sound basis for determining the quality of something as long as it's done right.
BTW, we have talked about UB books in comparison to other UB books.
I see what you two are saying, but you can't lump everything and everyone into one category.
Just like how you should not compare the Network and ATAC. As they are different and work way different.
You can still have a preference, though.
Yes, you can of course!
Right now I am unsure!
Um, of course we're going to compare UB book with other Hardy Boys books, consider they claim to be "Hardy Boys" books.
Quote author=Goddess
That is totally not true and an unfair assumption. In the past, I only read two Super Mysteries. I didn't read anything for years and years until the UBs came out. When I read them, I didn't compare them to anything because I didn't really have anything to compare them to. And I waited until I read a few until I really took a stance. If I only read one and took a stance, I would all-out hate them. But I read more and some weren't that bad.
Maybe that is because you are too old!
Quote author=Goddess
I might've, and emphasis on might've read a handful of Originals or Digests in the meantime.
And anyways, many people can make a case for why they don't like the UBs without comparing. There are lists. For example, Joe and Frank's personalities, the continuity, etc.
That is still comparing it.
Quote author=Goddess
Even so, comparing is a sound basis for determining the quality of something as long as it's done right.
BTW, we have talked about UB books in comparison to other UB books.
Comparing!
Quote author=Goddess
I see what you two are saying, but you can't lump everything and everyone into one category.
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Quote from: Q on November 05, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
Quote author=Goddess
That is totally not true and an unfair assumption. In the past, I only read two Super Mysteries. I didn't read anything for years and years until the UBs came out. When I read them, I didn't compare them to anything because I didn't really have anything to compare them to. And I waited until I read a few until I really took a stance. If I only read one and took a stance, I would all-out hate them. But I read more and some weren't that bad.
Maybe that is because you are too old!
Quote author=Goddess
I might've, and emphasis on might've read a handful of Originals or Digests in the meantime.
And anyways, many people can make a case for why they don't like the UBs without comparing. There are lists. For example, Joe and Frank's personalities, the continuity, etc.
That is still comparing it.
Quote author=Goddess
Even so, comparing is a sound basis for determining the quality of something as long as it's done right.
BTW, we have talked about UB books in comparison to other UB books.
Comparing!
Quote author=Goddess
I see what you two are saying, but you can't lump everything and everyone into one category.
Q, you and I seem to have the same conversation over and over "winks as a
joke" (notice how I did that? lol)
1. Maybe you like the UBs because you're too young! See? That goes both ways. But come on, we prefer what we prefer and that's that :)
2. Looking at their personalities and not liking them does not mean we compare them to previous books. Sure, sometimes we do, but like I said, I didn't have much to compare it to myself. I could totally hate Frank because I think he's a really dumb nerd or something just on the basis of UBs
alone, as an example. (Sorry, Frank).
3. That part of my answer I am allowed to "compare" because I was
talking about "comparing" in that last section. And it's okay to compare HBs books if we want to in certain cases. And the UBs comparison thing was sort of in response to bozonessinc, because he mentioned comparing the books within the same series.
Finally, we can list things we don't like about a series without comparing it to another one. For example, the continuity
within the UBs alone isn't that great.
I said I think I know what you're getting at, but there are other circumstances that you have to consider, and readers who are different from one another in their experience.
Quote from: SDLagent on November 04, 2008, 03:00:19 PM
Um, of course we're going to compare UB book with other Hardy Boys books, consider they claim to be "Hardy Boys" books.
So then we should compare them all to Digests!
Go ahead. People have done it lots before anyway, and if the Digests were the current series, we would.
So what do you people think is better? Casefiles, UB's, Digests?
I consider the UB's to be the worst series of all-time.
Best series of all-time? I would probably have to go with the original series. The Grosset & Dunlap editions that are in print now have been in print since 1959, plus the original texts of the first 16 books reappeared on the market starting in 1991 and continued till 2006, 32-38 years after the texts of the books were discontinued. Plus 8 more books were added to the series in 2005, 26 years after the 58th book was first published by Grosset & Dunlap.
After the Original series, it would have to be the earlier Digests (1979-1985), followed by the Casefiles, Hardy Boys/Tom Swift Ultra Thrillers, Nancy Drew/Hardy boys SuperMystery'88, The Clues Brothers, HBUB Super Mystery,NDHBSuper Mystery'07, UB.
Quote from: Goddess on November 05, 2008, 06:57:49 PM
Q, you and I seem to have the same conversation over and over "winks as a joke" (notice how I did that? lol)
1. Maybe you like the UBs because you're too young! See? That goes both ways. But come on, we prefer what we prefer and that's that :)
2. Looking at their personalities and not liking them does not mean we compare them to previous books. Sure, sometimes we do, but like I said, I didn't have much to compare it to myself. I could totally hate Frank because I think he's a really dumb nerd or something just on the basis of UBs alone, as an example. (Sorry, Frank).
3. That part of my answer I am allowed to "compare" because I was talking about "comparing" in that last section. And it's okay to compare HBs books if we want to in certain cases. And the UBs comparison thing was sort of in response to bozonessinc, because he mentioned comparing the books within the same series.
Finally, we can list things we don't like about a series without comparing it to another one. For example, the continuity within the UBs alone isn't that great.
I said I think I know what you're getting at, but there are other circumstances that you have to consider, and readers who are different from one another in their experience.
I was reading your post and I accidentally read your signature....
You want me to say I hate you? ;)
Quote from: Santa Claus on November 09, 2008, 03:32:25 PM
I consider the UB's to be the worst series of all-time.
Best series of all-time? I would probably have to go with the original series. The Grosset & Dunlap editions that are in print now have been in print since 1959, plus the original texts of the first 16 books reappeared on the market starting in 1991 and continued till 2006, 32-38 years after the texts of the books were discontinued. Plus 8 more books were added to the series in 2005, 26 years after the 58th book was first published by Grosset & Dunlap.
After the Original series, it would have to be the earlier Digests (1979-1985), followed by the Casefiles, Hardy Boys/Tom Swift Ultra Thrillers, Nancy Drew/Hardy boys SuperMystery'88, The Clues Brothers, HBUB Super Mystery,NDHBSuper Mystery'07, UB.
I had thought that you were a UB fan!!!
Quote from: bozonessinc on November 11, 2008, 02:27:26 PM
I had thought that you were a UB fan!!!
Whatever made you think that?
Quote from: bozonessinc on November 08, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
So what do you people think is better? Casefiles, UB's, Digests?
This is totally off-topic, plus it has been discussed tons of times on the forum in other places, lets not get into it here.
Quote from: bozonessinc on November 11, 2008, 02:27:26 PM
I had thought that you were a UB fan!!!
Okay, I am know convinced that you are crazy. Sorry.
Quote from: SDLagent on November 11, 2008, 06:35:21 PM
Okay, I am know convinced that you are crazy. Sorry.
That makes two of us...except I'm not sorry. :D
Well, to tell the truth, I'm not either.
Quote from: Q on November 11, 2008, 09:02:40 AM
I was reading your post and I accidentally read your signature....
You want me to say I hate you? ;)
After all of that,
that's your reply? J/K!
It'd be pretty pathetic if you did hate me just because of a difference of opinion ::) ;)
Well am I supposed to say. An equally long reply so you can reply with an even longer one?
Quote from: Q on November 13, 2008, 08:53:39 AM
Well am I supposed to say. An equally long reply so you can reply with an even longer one?
Give it a try there, hoss. ;)
Ok, Umm... I just came on to see that post and I don't know where that came from. I don't know why I posted that. I must have been not thinking.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!
Quote from: Q on November 13, 2008, 08:53:39 AM
Well am I supposed to say. An equally long reply so you can reply with an even longer one?
Yeah, I know. I'm actually glad that we're leaving well enough alone.