Undercover Brothers #25 Double Trouble

003Robin457 · October 25, 2008, 11:15:34 AM

LMF was a very smart man!

bozonessinc · October 25, 2008, 11:31:04 AM

Well, You "took" before her. Does that mean you took the book away from her bigfootman? I thought you were a casefiles fan. You did not mention the casefiles, when we were discussing the full hardy boys here. Where do the casefiles fit in on the selling scale compared to the UBS.
Considering stores only sell UBs, don't you think that they are selling better then the Casefiles. And the originals still sell better, because the book stores still have them. If the casefiles were really the best we would see new books from that series..

Bigfootman · October 25, 2008, 11:53:17 AM

Quote from: bozonessinc on October 25, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Well, You "took" before her. Does that mean you took the book away from her bigfootman? I thought you were a casefiles fan. You did not mention the casefiles, when we were discussing the full hardy boys here. Where do the casefiles fit in on the selling scale compared to the UBS.
Considering stores only sell UBs, don't you think that they are selling better then the Casefiles. And the originals still sell better, because the book stores still have them. If the casefiles were really the best we would see new books from that series..

Well:
1) Just because a series like the caefiles has ended does not mean the new series is better. The UBs are selling awfully, I know becasue every time I go to chapters witch is alot, I neaver anyone near the section. Yet when the digests were still out, there was a huge crowd there.
2) I go the book beofre the woman because:
a) I read the book and it sucked.
b) There was better UBs like Murder At The Mall, there. So hoped if I beat her to the sucky book, she'd by change pick Muder At The mall.
3) The Casefiles were cancilled because a book series can only last so long. If Harry Potter lasted 127 books would you still be intrested in it. No, because by then the athor or athors would have ran out of plot and had to reuse old plots. Unforently for the UBs the athors seem to be using old plots from digests already.

bozonessinc · October 25, 2008, 01:23:23 PM

Quote from: Bigfootman on October 25, 2008, 11:53:17 AM
Well:
1) Just because a series like the caefiles has ended does not mean the new series is better. The UBs are selling awfully, I know becasue every time I go to chapters witch is alot, I neaver anyone near the section. Yet when the digests were still out, there was a huge crowd there.
2) I go the book beofre the woman because:
a) I read the book and it sucked.
b) There was better UBs like Murder At The Mall, there. So hoped if I beat her to the sucky book, she'd by change pick Muder At The mall.
3) The Casefiles were cancilled because a book series can only last so long. If Harry Potter lasted 127 books would you still be intrested in it. No, because by then the athor or athors would have ran out of plot and had to reuse old plots. Unforently for the UBs the athors seem to be using old plots from digests already.

Bigfootman, you do make some very convincing points, but I want to know when they use the same plot. They use characters, and all of them use some of the same plot. What Hardy series, are the hardy's not detectives.

Could you please tell me what else other then it being detectives and friends, is in the plot... Those all are included in every series!

Bigfootman · October 25, 2008, 03:53:12 PM

Quote from: bozonessinc on October 25, 2008, 01:23:23 PM
Bigfootman, you do make some very convincing points, but I want to know when they use the same plot. They use characters, and all of them use some of the same plot. What Hardy series, are the hardy's not detectives.

Could you please tell me what else other then it being detectives and friends, is in the plot... Those all are included in every series!

normaly this happens in the GNs but a few books so here I go:
GN #1: Plot simular to Revenge Of Dessert Phantom.

Opperation Survival (book): Plot simular to Deathgame.

Top Ten Ways To Die: The plot here has been used a lot I can't even remeber the name of the books but right of the bat I can think of 1:
http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/index.php?nav=network&sub=cf&book=048

Sea You, Sea Me: Sabbotoge At Sea, has a simular plot.

Those are some of them.

tomswift2002 · October 25, 2008, 04:57:55 PM

Quote from: Bigfootman on October 25, 2008, 03:53:12 PM
normaly this happens in the GNs but a few books so here I go:
GN #1: Plot simular to Revenge Of Dessert Phantom.

Opperation Survival (book): Plot simular to Deathgame.

Top Ten Ways To Die: The plot here has been used a lot I can't even remeber the name of the books but right of the bat I can think of 1:
http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/index.php?nav=network&sub=cf&book=048

Sea You, Sea Me: Sabbotoge At Sea, has a simular plot.

Those are some of them.

Here's another one

Digest #183 Warehouse Rumble (2004), #172 Trouble In Warp Space (2002), #127 Reel Thrills (1994), #110 The Secret of Sigma Seven (1991), #109 The Prime-Time Crime (1991), and #95 Danger On The Air (1989) all have plots dealing with crime on Television Productions and, in the case of Warehouse Rumble, crime on the set of a reality TV show, and in [i}Reel Thrills[/i] crime and murder on the set of a movie set (although, The Secret of Sigma Seven actually took place at the convention for a Sci-Fi movie series similar to Star Wars[/i]). Plus, if you go back even further, the revised version of #21 The Clue of The Broken Blade (1970) has part of the plot having the boys meet up with Fenton and Laura Hardy on the set of a movie where Fenton Hardy is investigating a theft, plus #52 The Shattered Helmet (1973) where the Hardys are going all over Hollywood and Greek movie lots looking for a missing helmet.

And considering how many plots in the Undercover Brothers revolve around reality TV shows, you can see that the plot of crime on a TV/Movie set has been used in the Hardy Boys before, but in the past, aside from The Prime-Time Crime and The Secret of Sigma Seven being issued within two months of each other, the other books were issued years apart.

Plus you have to remember that the Casefiles had a few TV/Movie books such as The Borgia Dagger (1988) and Final Cut (1989).

bozonessinc · October 25, 2008, 05:46:46 PM

Well, you all make some convincing points, but sometimes there are books that don't follow the same plots!

Bigfootman · October 26, 2008, 06:43:43 AM

I'm not saying they all browwed the plot from another book, but a lot of them did:
Foul Play: There was Casefile also about football but I forget it's name. Oh and there's a casefile with the same name as Foul Play.

Even ND:GD has browwed plots:
Mr. Chesters is missing: Has some simularitys to Scent Of Danger, in fact the covers are alike!

However, not to say the casefiles arn't guilty of this:
Agenst All Odds: Simular To "The Million Dollar Nightmare".
Competitive Edge: Plot almost like Sabbtoge at Sports City.

bozonessinc · October 26, 2008, 08:06:38 AM

I notice your "network fan and loving it" do you happen to me a ND fan? Cause that would not go with be a network fan would it.. With Foul Play, the name was the same accidentally I assume, and the one was about Baseball the casefile.
Actually, having just read Foul Play, its a casefile, and so the UB is way different, what else do you think. That Atac comes from the Network?

Cause I don't see any similarities

tomswift2002 · October 26, 2008, 02:45:47 PM

Quote from: Bigfootman on October 26, 2008, 06:43:43 AM
Foul Play: There was Casefile also about football but I forget it's name. Oh and there's a casefile with the same name as Foul Play.

You are thinking of Casefiles #95 Illegal Procedure. The Casefiles Foul Play was about the local semi-pro baseball team during winter break.

QuoteHowever, not to say the casefiles arn't guilty of this:
Agenst All Odds: Simular To "The Million Dollar Nightmare".
Competitive Edge: Plot almost like Sabbtoge at Sports City.

The Casefiles also mirrored the Original Hardy boys series when #100 was printed.

In the Original-Digest line, #100 The Secret of The Island Treasure had the Hardys revisiting the scene of The Tower Treasure, Tower Mansion and uncovering another mystery.

In the Casefiles #100 True Thriller the Hardys had to go up against the Assassins not knowing if the Network was on their side this time.

Bigfootman · October 26, 2008, 05:59:48 PM

Quote from: bozonessinc on October 26, 2008, 08:06:38 AM
That Atac comes from the Network?

Acctuly, I'm sure that this secret acgency stuff started with a bluespine, but I forget witch one.

NZone · October 26, 2008, 06:07:00 PM

SKOOL from Secret Agent on Flight 101

tomswift2002 · October 26, 2008, 06:12:04 PM

Well the Hardys did work with the FBI and CIA in volumes earlier than Secret Agent On Flight 101.

bozonessinc · October 27, 2008, 11:14:33 AM

Do you mean to say that the network stole some plot of the originals... Wait it was you that said it. So what is the problem with the network copying things, but there is a problem with ATAC copying things!

Olivia · October 27, 2008, 05:13:51 PM

We'd probably have to look at each specific case, but I think it's one thing to take an idea and re-work it, and another to entirely copy or even take it and butcher it. That's with any idea/story.

But I can't really comment because I haven't read said books. And anything I say is really an opinion or observation - not to always be taken as a jab at the UBs.