I was just on Simonsays.com, and it looks like they've updated the cover for Danger Overseas.
You're right, Tom, it has been altered.
Here's a comparison:
(http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/images/comingsoon/HBND_002.jpg) (http://www.simonsays.com/assets/isbn/1416957774/C_1416957774.jpg)
The images are different sizes, but it gets the point across.
That, and it looks like some of the color changed. Hopefully it will be out soon.
It is scheduled for release around May/June 2008.
Wow. I must be slow or something because I just realized the book actually says "Carolyn Keene and Franklin W. Dixon" instead of just "Carolyn Keene" like in the '88 series. That's pretty interesting.
The last time that both their names appeared on a book cover together was back in 1985 with the release of the Be A Detective #6 The Missing Money Mystery book. Here's a list of all the books that have been written together by Franklin W. Dixon and Carolyn Keene
Be A Detective Mystery Stories (1984-1985)
#1 The Secret of The Knight's Sword
#2 Danger On Ice
#3 The Feathered Serpent
#4 Secret Cargo
#5 The Alaskan Mystery
#6 The Missing Money Mystery
#7 Jungle Of Evil
#8 Ticket To Intrigue (#7 & 8 were never published, although they would've been written by both authors)
Nancy Drew And The Hardy Boys SuperSleuths 1 (1981)
Nancy Drew And The Hardy Boys SuperSleuths 2 (1984)
Nancy Drew And The Hardy Boys Campfire Stories (1984)
plus
Nancy Drew Girl Detective and The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers Super Mystery #1: Terror On Tour (June 2007)
Quote from: tomswift2002 on November 26, 2007, 06:22:22 PM
The last time that both their names appeared on a book cover together was back in 1985 with the release of the Be A Detective #6 The Missing Money Mystery book. Here's a list of all the books that have been written together by Franklin W. Dixon and Carolyn Keene
Be A Detective Mystery Stories (1984-1985)
#1 The Secret of The Knight's Sword
#2 Danger On Ice
#3 The Feathered Serpent
#4 Secret Cargo
#5 The Alaskan Mystery
#6 The Missing Money Mystery
#7 Jungle Of Evil
#8 Ticket To Intrigue (#7 & 8 were never published, although they would've been written by both authors)
Nancy Drew And The Hardy Boys SuperSleuths 1 (1981)
Nancy Drew And The Hardy Boys SuperSleuths 2 (1984)
Nancy Drew And The Hardy Boys Campfire Stories (1984)
plus
Nancy Drew Girl Detective and The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers Super Mystery #1: Terror On Tour (June 2007)
I already have a lot of those books and I'm waiting for the mail for the rest! The only two I'm missing is
The Alaskan Mystery and
Campfire Stories :)
I'm thinking about getting the 1984 HB
Ghost Stories too.
Yeah, Ghost Stories was pretty good. There was a couple different editions of it.
Ghost Stories is still in print. :o Surprisingly it is the only mid-1980's Hardy Boys book that is still going strong. Probably the most rarest edition of the book, is the Minstrel imprint of the scarecrow cover that is out now. The Minstrel version was only out for about 6 months before the book went back to the printers and was reissued under the Aladdin imprint. The Minstrel version appeared around October/November 2001, and the Aladdin version was in stores by April 2002.
Really! Wow, that's I good tip. I never even new about the Scarecrow Edition. It sounds like it might be one of the rarest Hardy Boys book, excluding the Originals with DJs.
The scarecrow edition is still out, however, it is the Minstrel edition of the Scarecrow edition that is rare.
Ghost Stories has had 5 different covers:
1984 - Wanderer cover, boys meet Lord MacElphin on the stairs (from story The Haunted Castle)
July 1987 - Minstrel cover, boys open chest, spirits flying around
1996-2001 - Unsure year, Minstrel cover, boys being chased by hands and laughing scarecrow head
October/November 2001 - Minstrel cover, Scarecrow in field with barn being struck by lightning
May 2002 - Aladdin cover, Scarecrow in field with barn being struck by lightning
So even if the covers change, does the content?
No, its the same stories, just different covers, except that the Wanderer edition, I believe, had one interior picture per story that were later removed, just like what happened to the Digests 59-85 when Minstrel took over, all interior illustrations were removed.
Hmmm, I don't know why they would want to take the interior illustrations out of 'em...
Yeah, with different covers they probabally hope to catch people's eyes.
Quote from: Sam Spade on November 29, 2007, 11:10:50 PM
Hmmm, I don't know why they would want to take the interior illustrations out of 'em...
I think S&S might've been thinking that it would've been cheaper to just redo one picture every couple of years than to be having an artist draw 7 or 8 pictures per book. If you look at an interior picture in a Wanderer edition you'll notice that the Hardy's are pretty well in the 1980's, where as if you look at a picture in a Grosset & Dunlap book, there are a few pictures that show like a 1950's car and dates it that way, but if its just a picture of people looking out a window, then those were usually drawn in more of a style that would be acceptable throughout the ages and would be hard to date.
Click here (http://hardyboys.wikia.com/wiki/Danger_Overseas#Plot_summary) too see the plot summary of ''Danger Overseas''.
I know I all ready mentioned this else were on the forum but when that I saw this thread, I thought it was a better place to post it.
There is still hope for you fans of the Nancy/Frank relationship.
I picked up a copy of ''Danger Overseas'' at my local book store today. I'll post a review of the book when I am finished, but for now I'll just mention a few things of interest.
Also we find out that while it may not have been evident in book #1 ''Terror on Tour'', Joe suspects that Frank does in fact have a romantic attraction to Nancy, like he does in the SuperMystery '88 series.
QuoteHe was thrilled to see the girls again--especially Nancy. Though he wouldn't admit it, I was fairly sure he had a little crush on her. Frank goes gaga for smart girls. And Nancy was super cute on top of that.
Also noteworthy is that we got the best physical description of the boys we have had in years (pages 25-26). And on page one we are told that Frank weighs 170lbs. This is not only the first time in the Undercover Brothers Continuity that Frank's weight is revealed, but (if I am not mistaken) the first time it has ever been revealed in the entire series.
A few other interesting things:
- On page ii there is a list of Nancy Drew books and Hardy Boys books, but I noticed that it is the same one used in ''Terror on Tour'' six books out of date, and even ''Terror on Tour'' it's self is not included.
- The title is written in different font on the cover then book #1 was, but is the same on the inside title page.
- Again the book's opening scene is with the Hardys, this time told by Frank.
- Unlike ''Terror on Tour'' two consecutive chapters are narrated by the Hardy boys.
- Joe cuts into Frank's part of the story, and Frank does likewise, this has been seen in the regular UB book regularly but was not done in ''Terror on Tour''.
So far I have only read as far as chapter four, but so far I am happy to say that this book seems to be an improvement over ''Terror on Tour''.
Hopefully I'll get the book by mail tomorrow or Monday.
Quote from: HardyBoysWiki on April 30, 2008, 08:39:11 PM
There is still hope for you fans of the Nancy/Frank relationship.
I picked up a copy of ''Danger Overseas'' at my local book store today. I'll post a review of the book when I am finished, but for now I'll just mention a few things of interest.
Also we find out that while it may not have been evident in book #1 ''Terror on Tour'', Joe suspects that Frank does in fact have a romantic attraction to Nancy, like he does in the SuperMystery '88 series.
Well, that's a surprise!
Finished the book today, I have to say it was a very enjoyable read and far better then the first volume ii the series. Since most haven't read it yet, I'll include minimum of spoilers in this review, except for at the very end and I have marked clearly were they begin.
I found that this book is more detailed then other books in the UB continuity, at one point when Nancy is preparing dinner, the author walks us though her actions and tells us what ingredients she is using in her salad. As well as physical descriptions of Frank, Joe, Nancy, George, and Bess.
I mentioned in my last post that Frank is attracted to Nancy, and as the book progresses we are told that Nancy has much the same feelings for Frank. While this may be a little inconsistent with ''Terror on Tour'' I think this change is an improvement, and I think this book could be considered a good prologue to the SuperMystery '88 series.
Another good thing about this book is that the characters personalities are more like they are in the original series, e.g. George uses a PDA but she isn't portrayed as a techno geek like she was in the first book, Nancy isn't forgetful, no mention is made of Bess's skill with a wrench, and the Hardy brothers relationship is more like it is in past series. They tease each other but it doesn't come off mean spirited like it does sometimes in UB books, on the other hand I found it quite funny. Also unlike other UB books they are willing to admit the other was right. Unfortunately however, Frank is still a bit of a geek around girls, not quite as much as he sometimes is though.
An over all good book and nice change of pace from the recycled plots of the regular UB series. Even if you disliked the first book in the series I think you will enjoy this one.
5/5
Warning Spoilers Follow, to read them drag your mouse over the area below.
The biggest down fall of the book is the climax or lack there of, I think the last chapter could of had a bit more danger and drama then it did.
Finaly a GANG of crimanls and bad guys with a motive other then being crazy, at that.
Thanks for that review! I'm now looking forward to it :)
P.S. Thanks for being careful with spoilers too. I don't like spoilers (especially specific ones). General ones aren't bad.
Just got my email today telling me the Danger overseas is in the mail.
Quote from: oliviatocali on May 02, 2008, 04:48:08 PM
Thanks for that review! I'm now looking forward to it :)
P.S. Thanks for being careful with spoilers too. I don't like spoilers (especially specific ones). General ones aren't bad.
No problem oliviatocali , don't like spoilers myself, so I try to be careful.
Here is a few more of my thoughts on the book. But be warned
the following includes major spoilers ? view at your own risk. Like my last post I have put major spoilers in yellow, if you want to read them drag your pointer over the text below.
As I mentioned before I don't much care for the ending, because of the lack of suspense. I think the writer should have added about 15 pages to the story, and had a confrontation with Claude Bonaire or a fight with someone else at least.
I thought it was interesting that the book ended without us finding out if Bonaire is even is one of the bad guys, and without Joanna Paoli being captured by the police. Makes me think that the next Nancy Drew/Hardy Boys Super Mystery could be a direct sequel to Danger Overseas. If S&S is not planing to make a sequel however, I have to say that they or the author did a very poor job tying up the loose ends.
Could we have another Disapperaing Floor on our hands?
I just got my copy of the book today and I glanced at a few pages throughout the book. I wasn't that impressed with the last page. It seemed that the author made up the ATAC helping to get the charges dropped against the one guy very quickly, since the writing of that page seems to indicate that that paragraph may've been added by an editor so that they would not fall into the "Harry Tanwick" loop that was started decades ago.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on May 05, 2008, 05:24:45 PM
Could we have another Disapperaing Floor on our hands?
Which version are you referring to, the original or revised? I've only read the revised text, and I can't remember much similarity between The Disappearing Floor and Danger Overseas (but it has been about three years since I read it, so I don't remember much about).
Quote from: tomswift2002 on May 05, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
I just got my copy of the book today and I glanced at a few pages throughout the book. I wasn't that impressed with the last page. It seemed that the author made up the ATAC helping to get the charges dropped against the one guy very quickly, since the writing of that page seems to indicate that that paragraph may've been added by an editor so that they would not fall into the "Harry Tanwick" loop that was started decades ago.
I also thought it was a bit strange that ATAC would try to get the charges dismissed. What's the ''Henry Tanwick'' loop?
And Tom, not to be rude but it's weird that you read the last page of a book before you have even started it. ::) Some one I know does that and I didn't know of any one else that does that until I read your post. Doesn't it sort of ruin the surprises of the story for you?
I do it sometimes and it doesn't spoil it for me.
Quote from: HardyBoysWiki on May 05, 2008, 10:06:26 PM
Which version are you referring to, the original or revised? I've only read the revised text, and I can't remember much similarity between The Disappearing Floor and Danger Overseas (but it has been about three years since I read it, so I don't remember much about).
I thought that I'd get you on that. I was referring to the original text of
The Disappearing Floor which I haven't had the chance to read, but I've been told by others who've read it that the story basically goes places just to fill up chapter space with no real purpose to the case.
Quote
I also thought it was a bit strange that ATAC would try to get the charges dismissed. What's the ''Henry Tanwick'' loop?
In the Original version of
The Disappearing Floor the Hardy's find a wallet with the identification for a man named "Harry Tanwick". Who this "Harry Tanwick" is is never explained in the story and even in the plot outline made up by Edna Stratemeyer Squire it just says that the Hardy's never find out who "Harry Tanwick" is. If you look in issue 32 of Bob Finnan's Bayport Times (http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/bt32.htm) you'll see just how some people have run with this long-unsolved Hardy Boys mystery.
QuoteAnd Tom, not to be rude but it's weird that you read the last page of a book before you have even started it. ::) Some one I know does that and I didn't know of any one else that does that until I read your post. Doesn't it sort of ruin the surprises of the story for you?
I was actually looking to see how long the book was and I just got a little bit of the curiosites to see just how well the author wrote the last page. Sometimes the last pages are written with no real concern as to how the book is going to end. And this was one.
I thought the book was great, but I was wondering if it was supposed to be a yearly series? I might die if I have to wait another year for the third one to come out! :)
Quote from: mystery chick 901 on May 11, 2008, 11:08:49 AM
I thought the book was great, but I was wondering if it was supposed to be a yearly series? I might die if I have to wait another year for the third one to come out! :)
Both the crossover and non-crossover Super Mystery series come out once a year. The first two Nancy Drew crossovers were published about 11 mouths apart and same thing with the first two non-crossovers, book three ''Haunted'' will be published in August, making it months between #2 and #3, I could be wrong, but I believe this is the longest time period between books in a Hardy Boys series, since the original series (the two SuperSleuths! books were three years apart but weren't planned to be a series, actually just a book and a sequel)! Even Digests 85 and 86 were published closer together!
Your right, it's too bad they don't come out more often, but maybe that's why there better then the main UB series.
I think Super Sleuths! Volume 2 was probably put out to try and promote the other Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew novels that came out in 1984. Since in 1984 you saw the first 4 Be A Detective stories come out, Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Campfire Stories , The Hardy Boys Ghost Stories (the 1st Nancy Drew Ghost Stories appeared in 1983).
I didn't not really like the Super Sleuths! series
Even though they are short stories, the stories are a lot better than a lot of recent Undercover Brothers stories.
I've just started to read Danger Overseas, and already I've got to ask who S&S had editing this book. It is atrocious. Sometimes I've had to go back and reread a whole page just to figure out what the writer was trying to write or say. I've seen sentences that are run on sentences, sentences that are missing either words or puctuation marks. Sometimes the sentence takes a different meaning than the one the author intended because they used, say their, when they are trying to indicate a place, instead the make it a possessive, when they should've been using 'there'.
Yeah, i noticed that. But it's definatly worth reading.
i agree with Q. i also think the new Super Mysteries are too Nancy Drew centered. if you have noticed that these are supposed to be written by both authors.
I finally read this one, and I have to say that I almost entirely agree with HardyBoysWiki's thoughts - it was a fantastic read! Sure, I did find a couple small things I didn't like about it, but wow, what a relief and what an improvement! I found it funny and good-natured at the right times.
The only thing really noticeable (to me anyways) was the balance being just a tad off. The first half of the book was filled with a lot of info (I don't mind explanations at all, like about history and things) but then the last half was boom-bang-bing-done. I completely understand why they did it the way they did, so when the climax/conclusion came around, we would have the background knowledge. But still, I think they could have eased up just a tad in the first half of the book, and extend what happened in the second half more (as what HardyBoysWiki was saying).
Overall, though, a very nice read! Probably in my top 3 for this recent series, next to Wanted! :)
If you noticed, they also switched it from 'The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew' to 'Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys' ;D
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on July 20, 2008, 05:25:23 PM
If you noticed, they also switched it from 'The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew' to 'Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys' ;D
They didn't do any such switch.
In print it has always been ''Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys'', but on the first cover of Danger Overseas released on the Internet, ''The Hardy Boys'' came first in the title.
Also in the sneak peek in UB Super Mystery #2 ''Kidnapped'', it says ''The Hardy Boys Nancy Drew Super Mystery''.
So you are both wrong and both right, at the same time if that makes any sense.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on July 21, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
They didn't do any such switch.
I mean on the cover of the book.
Um, I just explained that!
Quote from: Firefox on July 12, 2008, 10:20:42 AM
i agree with Q. i also think the new Super Mysteries are too Nancy Drew centered. if you have noticed that these are supposed to be written by both authors.
Yeah, because they alternate between chapters like 'Frank Nancy Joe Nancy Frank Nancy Joe Nancy' It has too much about Nancy in it! it might be better if it was 'Frank Nancy Joe Frank Nancy Joe'...
Well, I thought Danger Overseas was a good balance of all three detectives. Except it seemed there was more HBs, or it just felt like it anyways. Unless I'm completely wrong...
I agree with oliviatocali, the writers have done a great job so far keeping all three detectives in the spotlight.
And I think if they are going to use all three characters to narrate, they have done it in the best possible way, with Hardy boy, Nancy, Hardy boy alternating, I think Frank, Joe, Nancy, Frank would just be to complicated.
Just read the explanation for what happened to Harry Tanwick. HAHA! I laughed out loud. "If the wind has shifted, we wouldve found him." LOL
HBWiki- Did you noyice that there was only 5 Joe chapters and 5 Frank chapters but 10 Nancy chapters!!!
Well, that is basically equal, I mean, 10 Hardy Boys, 10 Nancy Drew, right? :)
Don't count Joe and Frank as one person. There ARE three detectives. So it should be even. >:( >:( >:(
Well, think of it this way. Nancy Drew has her own book in her own series. But Frank and Joe have to share a book. So put them together, and that's what you get.
Nancy has to have half of the mystery, while Frank and Joe have the other half. That's what makes it what it is, if that makes sense. So it actually is balanced the way it's suppose to be, whether or not you like it ;)
Yeah I think it would be a lot more unfair for Nancy Drew fans if there was over half the book from the Hardys point of view! I think the current format works in the best possible way, if they're going to have a first person book. And it's not called a Nancy Drew and Frank Hardy and Joe Hardy Super Mystery, it's called a Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery.
Of course, it would be nice if the Hardy's had started the book without being on an ATAC case, or maybe even had the case in Bayport. Just look at the '88 series, there were 2 books based in River Heights, and Bayport was sort of used as an introduction in one and then receoved passing mention in the others.
I really hope Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery #3, will be one of Nancy Drew's cases, and have no ATAC, since I think it's our only chance at a non-ATAC novel for a while. And the only reason I liked ATAC in this series at first, was the ATAC/Nancy subplot in book one, but in book two Nancy said she wasn't really interested in working for them anymore, so I guess we've seen the last of that.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on November 28, 2007, 05:47:23 PM
July 1987 - Minstrel cover, boys open chest, spirits flying around
That's the one I have!
Quote from: tomswift2002 on November 28, 2007, 05:47:23 PM
The scarecrow edition is still out, however, it is the Minstrel edition of the Scarecrow edition that is rare.
Ghost Stories has had 5 different covers:
1984 - Wanderer cover, boys meet Lord MacElphin on the stairs (from story The Haunted Castle)
July 1987 - Minstrel cover, boys open chest, spirits flying around
1996-2001 - Unsure year, Minstrel cover, boys being chased by hands and laughing scarecrow head
October/November 2001 - Minstrel cover, Scarecrow in field with barn being struck by lightning
May 2002 - Aladdin cover, Scarecrow in field with barn being struck by lightning
I have the 1984 one.
Quote from: 003Robin457 on November 16, 2008, 10:33:47 AM
I have the 1984 one.
Is your copy a paperback or hardcover edition? There are indications that the book was released in hardcover dustjacketed editions, but if it was then those editions are extremely scarce and rare.
No just a paperback.