The cover of ''Double Trouble'', book one of three in the forthcoming Double Danger story arc and 25 in the main Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers series, has been revealed at Bookmanager (http://bookmanager.ca/?opt=kw&q=h.ts&qs=Double+Trouble%3A+Book+One+in+the+Double+Danger+Trilogy+).
(http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/images/comingsoon/UB025.jpg)
Jaw dropping but did you see the cover of Murder House?
I don't know, it looks a little...(what's the word) girly?
Hmmm...
Oh no...no...NO! Not another reality/tv show/movie plot. I think this is overkill. And I'm saying that because of the director's chairs and clapboard on the cover. Two trilogies back to back about murder on a tv/movie set?
Ahh! The purple is blinding me! :)
Not exactly how I pictured the Hardy Boys, but whatever.
I hoped we might get a plot involving gambling (it is for kids but there has been a casino at one point in the series), I still can hardly believe we are going to have a TV trilogy and movie trilogy back to back! Most of the time I wouldn't like it but this time I'd love it if the cover had nothing to do with the story!
It's strange that this got released before the cover of UB #24 ''Murder House''.
looks pretty neat to me, but the way they are releasing the covers is really weird... :-\...still I can't wait to read 'em
I REALLY dont like the new cover art for the HB books :P :P :P! And what happened 2 the regular books ???? Whats with all the trilogys ????!Do you agree? ;)
Quote from: FrankJoeATAC on July 04, 2008, 06:30:27 PM
I REALLY dont like the new cover art for the HB books :P :P :P! And what happened 2 the regular books ???? Whats with all the trilogys ????!Do you agree? ;)
Good questions. I wish we had solid answers, but right now all we've got are theories:
1. The regular stand-alone titles, while popular between April 2005 and December 2005, really started to not sell well and sales have continued to plummet to where S&S thinks the old trilogies trick will help boost sales, just like it did for the Casefiles back in 1992 when the
Operation: Phoenix helped boost low sales figures for the series.
2. People were getting tired of not seeing the boys on the cover of a Hardy Boys book since Digest #160 was released back in March 2000.
I really don't like the new cover art for the Undervoer Brothers book series, but I still LOVE the stories!! They are great!
Keep on writing!
Before anyone screams at me, read the entire post. :)
I like the cover art and I like it better than the first cover art for the UB series. HOWEVER, I do not like the photographs and that goes with both the original UB books and the newer ones.
If I were designing the books I would keep the current cover art, but slim it up while removing the photographs and adding actual cover art.
But actual ARTWORK is much more expensive today than photographs. I highly doubt we will see cover art on these books unless sales drastically increase or the price goes up at least another dollar.
I dont care if they have pictures on the front as long as it has something to do with the book! But why are they just standing there? At least photoshop some kind of background on that makes sense!
Quote from: SkyWarp on July 14, 2008, 05:27:54 PM
Before anyone screams at me, read the entire post. :)
I like the cover art and I like better than the first cover art for the UB series. HOWEVER, I do not like the photographs and that goes with both the original UB books and the newer ones.
If I were designing the books I would keep the current cover art, but slim it up while removing the photographs and adding actual cover art.
But actual ARTWORK is much more expensive today than photographs. I highly doubt we will see cover art on these books unless sales drastically increase or the price goes up at least another dollar.
Yes, I like the new ''graphic design'' better then the first one, as well. Have any of you noticed that the current lettering now the same as on ''Danger Overseas''?
There are somethings however that are NOT an improvement, (1 the books are no longer numbered (A first in Hardy Boys Land, as the originals had dustjackets with numbers on them), and (2 the inside graphics, they didn't re-do the whole thing, so it just doesn't look very good, I mean take a look at the table on contents page, it's the same as before, just with a outline of the boys where their faces were before, and which is better their faces or an outline?
Actually, the numbering of Hardy Boys books, from what I know, since I haven't seen a lot of dustjackets, didn't start till, at the earliest, the post-WWII 1940's, latest 1959 with the revisions. If you look at the ads in the early books, the titles aren't numbered, and you really don't see numbered titles in the ads till around 1962, so the numbering system may've only been introduced in '62.
Quote from: HardyBoysWiki on July 14, 2008, 06:11:01 PM
There are somethings however that are NOT an improvement, (1 the books are no longer numbered (A first in Hardy Boys Land, as the originals had dustjackets with numbers on them),...
They are numbered in the list of books on the inside page where it lists all the books. :) But I also do wish they kept numbering them on the spines at least. But in today's limited series mentality, number anything is BAD. If you don't have a new #1 every couple months then its bad marketing. (according to the latest marketing trends, which I disagree with, and I am in marketing).
Perfect, they went back to the TV covers! >:( >:(
Quote from: tomswift2002 on July 14, 2008, 06:40:35 PM
Actually, the numbering of Hardy Boys books, from what I know, since I haven't seen a lot of dustjackets, didn't start till, at the earliest, the post-WWII 1940's, latest 1959 with the revisions. If you look at the ads in the early books, the titles aren't numbered, and you really don't see numbered titles in the ads till around 1962, so the numbering system may've only been introduced in '62.
I just looked at my original ''House on the Cliff'', and you are right Tom! I still don't like the number-less spins though.
Yeah ,without numbers if you want to organize your books, you gotta get a list of the titles in order. Kind of a pain
Actually, I was just looking at some pictures of old Hardy Boys Dustjackets on Ebay, and it looks like they may've been numbering the Hardy Boys books since as early as 1930, since I saw one copy of "Shore Road Mystery" with a listing for the X Bar X Boys series on the back, and I was able to make out the last X Bar title in the list, which was "Lost In The Rockies", and according to sites online, that volume was published in 1930. But, I think the one reason why people think numbers started later was that the numbers were printed under the Grosset & Dunlap logo, usually where the DJ gets torn or ripped from pulling the book off the shelf. So, it looks like the numbers didn't get moved up higher on the books till 1962 with the start of the PC texts.
I just checked my dust covers from the 20's, they have numbers, the numbers are only on the jacket though
Quote from: tomswift2002 on July 15, 2008, 10:59:55 AM
Actually, I was just looking at some pictures of old Hardy Boys Dustjackets on Ebay, and it looks like they may've been numbering the Hardy Boys books since as early as 1930, since I saw one copy of "Shore Road Mystery" with a listing for the X Bar X Boys series on the back, and I was able to make out the last X Bar title in the list, which was "Lost In The Rockies", and according to sites online, that volume was published in 1930. But, I think the one reason why people think numbers started later was that the numbers were printed under the Grosset & Dunlap logo, usually where the DJ gets torn or ripped from pulling the book off the shelf. So, it looks like the numbers didn't get moved up higher on the books till 1962 with the start of the PC texts.
I just looked again, and after contradicting my self once, I'll have to do it again, your right there is numbers on the side! Just very small and at the very bottom. So I was right to begin with. LOL
BTW, what's the oldest HB book any of you have? My oldest is a 1956 printing of ''What Happened at Midnight''. So not really old at all...
My oldest would be a copy of 'While The Clock Ticked' from the late 1940's early 1950's, since its a brown leathery cover with an ad in the back for the first 3 Rick Brant books.
My oldest one is The Hooded Hawk from 1954.
My oldest is "The Secret of the Old Mill" from 1927
Quote from: negative_zone on July 16, 2008, 08:32:38 AM
My oldest is "The Secret of the Old Mill" from 1927
Wow, that's pretty rare. So does it look like this...
(http://mattsbooks.us/Red_Cover/tower_red_cover.jpg)
Yeah, I got Old Mill, Shore Road, and Great Airport all from then. I think i picked em all up for like 4 bucks at different garage sales.
Oh, and Secret of the Caves and The Missing Chums, sorry about double posting but for some reason I can't edit my posts under Network Briefings
Quote from: HardyBoysWiki on July 16, 2008, 02:00:54 PM
Wow, that's pretty rare. So does it look like this...
(http://mattsbooks.us/Red_Cover/tower_red_cover.jpg)
Better be careful, since Applewood's books also look like that.
Yeah, ture. The only red cover books I've seen 'in person' are Applewood's books.
And really the only way to tell the covers apart are the publishers logos on the spine.
I have The Shore Road Mystery (second printing, 1944) and The Ghost at Skeleton Rock (first printing, 1957).
With the Applewood books are not all the books red? Whereas the only the first few originals are actually red.
Grosset & Dunlap originally issued the books from 1927 to 1932. Basically, they issued from The Tower Treasure to the first printing of While The Clock Ticked (#'s 1-11) in in the red cloth. Applewood has only issued from Treasure to A Figure In Hiding, #1-16. So some people might try to pass off an Applewood of 1-11 as a first printing of the book.
Too bad it?s a movie plot. I had hope that the word Double meant the return of Fred and Jim from Wanted. It would be cool to have a villain return like WARD in the GNs. But oh well stunt doubles could be cool.
Quote from: 003Robin457 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:20 AM
Too bad it?s a movie plot. I had hope that the word Double meant the return of Fred and Jim from Wanted. It would be cool to have a villain return like WARD in the GNs. But oh well stunt doubles could be cool.
I never thought of that (Fred and Jim returning). Good insight!
By the way, welcome to the board :)
I'd love to see the return of the Johannsons! They're the only UB badies I even remember and a Hardy vs. Johannson trilogy would be great!
By the way did I spell the name right?
Nope, it's spelled Johansen. ;)
Oh, okay. Of the top of my head I thought it was Johanson.
Yeah, I liked the Johansons, too. And My oldest book is an Original While the Clock Ticked with Dustjacket.
What if the Johansons joined ward? ???
Another interesting idea.
They really should put WARD in the regular UB series. I t would make it more interesting for ATAC to have a real enemy. :)
Right JHR!!!!
Sadly I don't think WARD will appear in the UB. For one thing, in the only time used a character they didn't make up, was Vanessa Bender, created by Rick Oliver. Interestingly enough Oliver has against Vanessa becoming a recurring character.
The basic plot outline of this trilogy is as follows:
QuoteTeen superstar Jason Elliot is being stalked, and Frank and Joe must figure out who is the culprit. But the case only gets more complicated after they meet Jason's twin brother, Justin.
Oh crap! Don't tell me that that sucky plot is going to last for three whole books! ::) >:( ::)
Don't worry Sam. We'll have a whole new plot by book two! Is not that great? ;D :D ;) :) :-X ::) :D ;D 8)
UB's ROCK!!! :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :) :) 8) 8)
Quote from: SDLagent on September 16, 2008, 03:33:33 AM
UB's ROCK!!! :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :) :) 8) 8)
LOL!
Spot on, SDL! ;D
*eyes pop out of head*
Quote from: Sam Spade on September 16, 2008, 02:44:34 AM
Oh crap! Don't tell me that that sucky plot is going to last for three whole books! ::) >:( ::)
If its anything like the
Murder House trilogy we'll probably meet
other twin brothers in the other two books, while we'll probably also get the exact same story in all three books.
Quote from: mystery chick 901 on June 28, 2008, 07:15:07 PM
Ahh! The purple is blinding me! :)
Not exactly how I pictured the Hardy Boys, but whatever.
I didn't know guests could post!
She was a member then. For some unknown reason she isn't anymore.
Yeah, when is the date for the release of Double Trouble?
Soon, I hope! ;D
Just click on the cover on the sidebar of the main page.
You had to make us go hunting for it, didn't you. You couldn't have just told us, that would have been too easy, right?
In this case, the answer to your question was only two clicks away. Is that to hard?
Could you just tell everyone here
Nov. 25th. ;D
Thanks Robin! I'll buy it the day it comes out!
Didn't the last book get to the stores a little before the release date? :-\
I swear, if Chet Mortion dosen't return by then, I'll be making a petition. What I hate about the UBs is that when a ghostwriter dosen't like a character, he just makes it disspear, and it appearing in no more books. In the Casefiles, altough the Hardy's freinds didn't appear in every book, they still appeared in some!
BRING BACK CHET MORTION!
Mabey it will be like Hide and seek (Digest).
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 19, 2008, 03:00:41 PM
Mabey it will be like Hide and seek (Digest).
You mean Hide and Sneek
Yeah I was wondering what it was and was to in a hurry to look it up. Any way what I mean is in that the Hardys and Chet whent to make a movie.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 18, 2008, 04:31:50 PM
Yeah, when is the date for the release of Double Trouble?
It may
say November 25, but it will probably start shipping by the first week of November to people at home and be on bookstore shelves by the second week in November.
Very helpfull! ;D
PSPer alert
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 19, 2008, 02:49:20 PM
Didn't the last book get to the stores a little before the release date? :-\
Yeah,
There was a review on here for a book, 5 days before release.. Not the one I did, someone elses... Whats up with that?
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 19, 2008, 09:23:02 PM
PSPer alert
I'll add to what robin said, Nzone, your PSP warning posts are the exact thing you are trying to stop. I wish I knew the date that it was actually coming out, they should tell us the exact date. What does $and$ doing this for.
What is there point to giving us the date wrong, what it does is lose them business. I hate spoilers that come out before the release date.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 19, 2008, 08:07:14 AM
Could you just tell everyone here
Could you just look it up and not ask pointless questions? No offense.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 20, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
I wish I knew the date that it was actually coming out, they should tell us the exact date. What does $and$ doing this for.
What is there point to giving us the date wrong, what it does is lose them business. I hate spoilers that come out before the release date.
It's because The hardy Boys are Mass Market Paperbacks, rather then say, hardcovers.
Quote from: SDLagent on October 20, 2008, 10:14:18 PM
Could you just look it up and not ask pointless questions? No offense.
Did anyone see this:
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 19, 2008, 11:01:57 AM
Nov. 25th. ;D
Quote from: SDLagent on October 20, 2008, 10:14:18 PM
It's because The hardy Boys are Mass Market Paperbacks, rather then say, hardcovers.
There are ways to get them in hardcover though.
Sorry to ask pointless questions. I just have dial up and was trying to make it faster. I think they cost more in hardcover robin! I just got 8 Ubs for 13 bucks, and I usually pay 6 bucks a piece!
WOW! I pay alot for mine! :D
Quote from: SDLagent on October 20, 2008, 10:14:18 PM
Could you just look it up and not ask pointless questions? No offense.
It's because The hardy Boys are Mass Market Paperbacks, rather then say, hardcovers.
Or even high-profile books, like the Harry Potter series.
Tomswift, I might have missed something, but your saying the UB's are high profile like Harry Potter.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 22, 2008, 10:53:37 AM
Tomswift, I might have missed something, but your saying the UB's are high profile like Harry Potter.
No, I was just saying that the Undercover Brothers are not as high-profile as Harry Potter books.
or even typically signifies a change of subject
They aren't, they don't sell as well. I wonder why??
Well...there are a number of factors. Readership for newly-published HBs was going down even for the Digests in the early 2000's (I don't think it was doing as bad as the UBs, but I don't know for sure) and the UBs is perhaps not promoted enough in the public sphere (that actually has lot to do with the popularity of a series - really, it does, in not only advertisements, but being featured on spots on TV, even if it was the news because of controversy).
It could just be people prefer the other HBs series and don't like this newer one. Not trying to offend anyone.
But to be Harry Potter status? I don't know. The Hardy Boys are known well world-wide, but that's over a number of years with changes. And Harry Potter only has a limited amount of books out as opposed to an on-going series. It has movies and all kinds of hype around it.
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 24, 2008, 11:20:01 AM
Well...there are a number of factors. Readership for newly-published HBs was going down even for the Digests in the early 2000's (I don't think it was doing as bad as the UBs, but I don't know for sure) and the UBs is perhaps not promoted enough in the public sphere (that actually has lot to do with the popularity of a series - really, it does, in not only advertisements, but being featured on spots on TV, even if it was the news because of controversy).
It could just be people prefer the other HBs series and don't like this newer one. Not trying to offend anyone.
But to be Harry Potter status? I don't know. The Hardy Boys are known well world-wide, but that's over a number of years with changes. And Harry Potter only has a limited amount of books out as opposed to an on-going series. It has movies and all kinds of hype around it.
So what your saying is if Franklin W. Dixon books were just coming out now, we would all be yes yes and all happy, and if he wrote 6 we would cherich them like we do with the UB's. ??? I wonder if we would??? Where did the original idea for the hardy boys come from, because it is well known how the harry potter series came to be...
Obviously there isn't any definite answer, but I'm just saying we can speculate by looking at their origins and comparing them.
Oh yeah, also, some media catch on better than others. Just the way it is.
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 24, 2008, 11:20:01 AM
It has movies and all kinds of hype around it.
But the Hardy Boys
do have a movie, The Hardy men! :P :P :P
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 24, 2008, 07:23:55 AM
They aren't, they don't sell as well. I wonder why??
Well:
1) Anyone who read Rocky Road first would probily neaver read another UB agian.
2) The Hardy Boys in general haven't been selling well.
3) The only books are seen people read are eather the Blue Spines or the Casefiles. Mind you I did bump into a kid who reads the UBs, but he seems to think they are the only Hardy Boys series. ::) Also I saw a parent looking at the first book in the Murder house triogy, but luckily I took before she did. Cause the first book stunk!
No it did not!
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 24, 2008, 02:26:28 PM
Where did the original idea for the hardy boys come from, because it is well known how the harry potter series came to be...
According to Leslie McFarlane's autobiography,
Ghost Of The Hardy Boys, Edward Stratemeyer wanted to capitalize on the popularity of Adult Detective novels in print at the time and create a line of detective novels aimed at young to pre-teen/teenage boys.
LMF was a very smart man! 8)
Well, You "took" before her. Does that mean you took the book away from her bigfootman? I thought you were a casefiles fan. You did not mention the casefiles, when we were discussing the full hardy boys here. Where do the casefiles fit in on the selling scale compared to the UBS.
Considering stores only sell UBs, don't you think that they are selling better then the Casefiles. And the originals still sell better, because the book stores still have them. If the casefiles were really the best we would see new books from that series..
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 25, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Well, You "took" before her. Does that mean you took the book away from her bigfootman? I thought you were a casefiles fan. You did not mention the casefiles, when we were discussing the full hardy boys here. Where do the casefiles fit in on the selling scale compared to the UBS.
Considering stores only sell UBs, don't you think that they are selling better then the Casefiles. And the originals still sell better, because the book stores still have them. If the casefiles were really the best we would see new books from that series..
Well:
1) Just because a series like the caefiles has ended does not mean the new series is better. The UBs are selling awfully, I know becasue every time I go to chapters witch is alot, I neaver anyone near the section. Yet when the digests were still out, there was a huge crowd there.
2) I go the book beofre the woman because:
a) I read the book and it sucked.
b) There was better UBs like Murder At The Mall, there. So hoped if I beat her to the sucky book, she'd by change pick Muder At The mall.
3) The Casefiles were cancilled because a book series can only last so long. If Harry Potter lasted 127 books would you still be intrested in it. No, because by then the athor or athors would have ran out of plot and had to reuse old plots. Unforently for the UBs the athors seem to be using old plots from digests already.
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 25, 2008, 11:53:17 AM
Well:
1) Just because a series like the caefiles has ended does not mean the new series is better. The UBs are selling awfully, I know becasue every time I go to chapters witch is alot, I neaver anyone near the section. Yet when the digests were still out, there was a huge crowd there.
2) I go the book beofre the woman because:
a) I read the book and it sucked.
b) There was better UBs like Murder At The Mall, there. So hoped if I beat her to the sucky book, she'd by change pick Muder At The mall.
3) The Casefiles were cancilled because a book series can only last so long. If Harry Potter lasted 127 books would you still be intrested in it. No, because by then the athor or athors would have ran out of plot and had to reuse old plots. Unforently for the UBs the athors seem to be using old plots from digests already.
Bigfootman, you do make some very convincing points, but I want to know when they use the same plot. They use characters, and all of them use some of the same plot. What Hardy series, are the hardy's not detectives.
Could you please tell me what else other then it being detectives and friends, is in the plot... Those all are included in every series!
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 25, 2008, 01:23:23 PM
Bigfootman, you do make some very convincing points, but I want to know when they use the same plot. They use characters, and all of them use some of the same plot. What Hardy series, are the hardy's not detectives.
Could you please tell me what else other then it being detectives and friends, is in the plot... Those all are included in every series!
normaly this happens in the GNs but a few books so here I go:
GN #1: Plot simular to Revenge Of Dessert Phantom.
Opperation Survival (book): Plot simular to Deathgame.
Top Ten Ways To Die: The plot here has been used a lot I can't even remeber the name of the books but right of the bat I can think of 1:
http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/index.php?nav=network&sub=cf&book=048
Sea You, Sea Me: Sabbotoge At Sea, has a simular plot.
Those are some of them.
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 25, 2008, 03:53:12 PM
normaly this happens in the GNs but a few books so here I go:
GN #1: Plot simular to Revenge Of Dessert Phantom.
Opperation Survival (book): Plot simular to Deathgame.
Top Ten Ways To Die: The plot here has been used a lot I can't even remeber the name of the books but right of the bat I can think of 1:
http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/index.php?nav=network&sub=cf&book=048
Sea You, Sea Me: Sabbotoge At Sea, has a simular plot.
Those are some of them.
Here's another one
Digest #183
Warehouse Rumble (2004), #172
Trouble In Warp Space (2002), #127
Reel Thrills (1994), #110
The Secret of Sigma Seven (1991), #109
The Prime-Time Crime (1991), and #95
Danger On The Air (1989) all have plots dealing with crime on Television Productions and, in the case of
Warehouse Rumble, crime on the set of a reality TV show, and in [i}Reel Thrills[/i] crime and murder on the set of a movie set (although,
The Secret of Sigma Seven actually took place at the convention for a Sci-Fi movie series similar to
Star Wars[/i]). Plus, if you go back even further, the revised version of #21 The Clue of The Broken Blade (1970) has part of the plot having the boys meet up with Fenton and Laura Hardy on the set of a movie where Fenton Hardy is investigating a theft, plus #52 The Shattered Helmet (1973) where the Hardys are going all over Hollywood and Greek movie lots looking for a missing helmet.
And considering how many plots in the Undercover Brothers revolve around reality TV shows, you can see that the plot of crime on a TV/Movie set has been used in the Hardy Boys before, but in the past, aside from The Prime-Time Crime and The Secret of Sigma Seven being issued within two months of each other, the other books were issued years apart.
Plus you have to remember that the Casefiles had a few TV/Movie books such as The Borgia Dagger (1988) and Final Cut (1989).
Well, you all make some convincing points, but sometimes there are books that don't follow the same plots!
I'm not saying they all browwed the plot from another book, but a lot of them did:
Foul Play: There was Casefile also about football but I forget it's name. Oh and there's a casefile with the same name as Foul Play.
Even ND:GD has browwed plots:
Mr. Chesters is missing: Has some simularitys to Scent Of Danger, in fact the covers are alike! :o
However, not to say the casefiles arn't guilty of this:
Agenst All Odds: Simular To "The Million Dollar Nightmare".
Competitive Edge: Plot almost like Sabbtoge at Sports City.
I notice your "network fan and loving it" do you happen to me a ND fan? Cause that would not go with be a network fan would it.. With Foul Play, the name was the same accidentally I assume, and the one was about Baseball the casefile.
Actually, having just read Foul Play, its a casefile, and so the UB is way different, what else do you think. That Atac comes from the Network???? Cause I don't see any similarities
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 26, 2008, 06:43:43 AM
Foul Play: There was Casefile also about football but I forget it's name. Oh and there's a casefile with the same name as Foul Play.
You are thinking of Casefiles #95
Illegal Procedure. The Casefiles
Foul Play was about the local semi-pro baseball team during winter break.
QuoteHowever, not to say the casefiles arn't guilty of this:
Agenst All Odds: Simular To "The Million Dollar Nightmare".
Competitive Edge: Plot almost like Sabbtoge at Sports City.
The Casefiles also mirrored the Original Hardy boys series when #100 was printed.
In the Original-Digest line, #100
The Secret of The Island Treasure had the Hardys revisiting the scene of
The Tower Treasure, Tower Mansion and uncovering another mystery.
In the Casefiles #100
True Thriller the Hardys had to go up against the Assassins not knowing if the Network was on their side this time.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 26, 2008, 08:06:38 AM
That Atac comes from the Network????
Acctuly, I'm sure that this secret acgency stuff started with a bluespine, but I forget witch one.
SKOOL from Secret Agent on Flight 101
Well the Hardys did work with the FBI and CIA in volumes earlier than Secret Agent On Flight 101.
Do you mean to say that the network stole some plot of the originals... Wait it was you that said it. So what is the problem with the network copying things, but there is a problem with ATAC copying things!
We'd probably have to look at each specific case, but I think it's one thing to take an idea and re-work it, and another to entirely copy or even take it and butcher it. That's with any idea/story.
But I can't really comment because I haven't read said books. And anything I say is really an opinion or observation - not to always be taken as a jab at the UBs.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 27, 2008, 11:14:33 AM
Do you mean to say that the network stole some plot of the originals... Wait it was you that said it. So what is the problem with the network copying things, but there is a problem with ATAC copying things!
Considering that SKOOL only showed up in
The Secret agent On Flight 101, the Network really didn't have any competition. Plus, the Hardy Boys never became agents of SKOOL.
Really, the only competition that the Network had with previous government agencies that the Hardys had worked for and had been agents of was the agency from the 3rd season of the Hardy Boys TV show.
Yes, in the first story of Season Three of The Hardy Boys Mysteries, Frank and Joe meet agents from the US Justice Department. Then in the second episode after solving a case in about a week, that the agency had been working on for the past seven (between five and seven, can't remember for sure) years, are asked to work for the Department. They work for the JD for pretty much the same reason they work for ATAC - in some undercover cases adults stick out to much.
Fenton also gets a job with agency, but works more behind the scenes, whereas the boys work in the field.
Also, this two part story (The Last Kiss of Summer), in many ways reminds me of The Hardy Boys Casefiles #1 Dead on Target. In Last Kiss, Joe's fiancee is killed, and as a result Joe makes it his personal mission to bring her killer to justice. At the end of the case when Frank tells him the JD's offer, Joe says he feels very empty right now, and maybe a job with the agency, will help fill his life. I'm sure anyone who's read the early Casefiles, can see similarities.
Quote from: SDLagent on October 28, 2008, 01:30:05 AM
Yes, in the first story of Season Three of The Hardy Boys Mysteries, Frank and Joe meet agents from the US Justice Department. Then in the second episode after solving a case in about a week, that the agency had been working on for the past seven (between five and seven, can't remember for sure) years, are asked to work for the Department. They work for the JD for pretty much the same reason they work for ATAC - in some undercover cases adults stick out to much.
Fenton also gets a job with agency, but works more behind the scenes, whereas the boys work in the field.
Also, this two part story (The Last Kiss of Summer), in many ways reminds me of The Hardy Boys Casefiles #1 Dead on Target. In Last Kiss, Joe's fiancee is killed, and as a result Joe makes it his personal mission to bring her killer to justice. At the end of the case when Frank tells him the JD's offer, Joe says he feels very empty right now, and maybe a job with the agency, will help fill his life. I'm sure anyone who's read the early Casefiles, can see similarities.
Wow Joe has a fiance?
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 28, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
Wow Joe has a fiance?
From what I've read and seen of from the first 2 seasons of the Hardy Boys, Joe's fiancee just appeared out of nowhere. In the first two seasons there is no mention of Joe having a girlfriend or dating.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 28, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
Wow Joe has a fiance?
Warning: SPOILERS FOLLOWYes, but she is killed shortly after their wedding rehearsal by a drunk driver.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 28, 2008, 06:35:57 PM
From what I've read and seen of from the first 2 seasons of the Hardy Boys, Joe's fiancee just appeared out of nowhere. In the first two seasons there is no mention of Joe having a girlfriend or dating.
Well, at the beginning of
The Last Kiss of Summer it is indicated that Joe has been vacationing on the East Coast for some time, and has and is going to be going home in a few days. In this time he has met a girl he has fell in love with, so with his visit coming to an end, Joe proposes to Jamie.
When Joe tells Frank of their engagement, Frank seems to have heard of Jamie, already. Because of this I think Joe must have been in California for at least a month and a half, maybe even the whole summer.
Is this during missions? I have not read those books?
Is what during the mission? And BTW, this is from the 1977 TV show, not a book.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 29, 2008, 11:01:48 AM
Is this during missions? I have not read those books?
Hopefully
The Last Kiss Of Summer and the rest of Season 3 of the Hardy Boys Mysteries will be released sometime next year (2009) (and that estimate is being based on the fact that Season 1 of the show appeared in March 2005 and Season 2 in June 2007 on DVD).
Probaly, I mean isn't it logical.
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 29, 2008, 05:48:12 PM
Probaly, I mean isn't it logical.
It is logical, but at the same time you have to remember that with the 1970's Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew TV series Universal has to clear a lot of rights in order to release it on DVD. Back in 1977-1979 Universal would've obtained permission from all the actors as well as the music rights holders to all the music on the show and other rights for the purpose of distributing the shows to Television Stations for broadcast over the air. However the original 1970's contracts would not have included permission for Universal to release and distribute the episodes on home video.
Now then Season 3 is probably going to be the hardest season to get released on DVD, since with Season 1, aside from
The Disappearing Floor, all the Hardy Boys episodes in that set had been released on VHS, BetaMax and Discovision (Discovision only had the pilot released on it, and the pilot was not released on VHS or BetaMax) back in the 1980's. Plus a few of the Nancy Drew episodes from Season 1 had also been released. Season 2 had had 3 Hardy Boys and 1 or 2 Nancy Drew episodes released on VHS and Betamax in the 1980's.
Now then Season 3 did have the episode
The Search For Atlantis released on VHS back around the late 1980's, but that episode was released by Goodtimes Home Entertainment, so the rights to release that two-parter on VHS may've been negotiated by Goodtimes Home Entertainment and may not have been negotiated, in any way, by Universal. So even with that episode, for Season 3 to be released on DVD, Universal may have to renegotiate the rights on that episode and the rights to every other Season 3 episode to release the season.
Just last month tvshowsondvd.com posted an article about what 20th Century Fox is having to go through with the 1966
Batman TV series. When you look at the article you'll notice that for Fox, even though Fox owns the film, Fox does not have the right to release anything of the series on DVD yet, unless it is like a clip montage of the show; aside from the theatrical movie.
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Batman-Watchmen-Batman-Deal-Reported/10573
Man I'd buy Batman in a heartbeat if it was out!
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 29, 2008, 06:10:00 PM
Man I'd buy Batman in a heartbeat if it was out!
Well the movie has been out on VHS since the 80's, and the DVD was released back in 2001, and then just this past summer Fox reissued the movie on Blu-Ray about 4 days before
The Dark Knight opened in theaters.
I saw the movie but the show was susposta' be alot better and I cant see it! Need DVD!
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 29, 2008, 06:20:19 PM
I saw the movie but the show was susposta' be alot better and I cant see it! Need DVD!
Or you need to find a TV channel that airs the older programs and airs the 1966
Batman series.
No cable. :'(
No. :'(
That stinks!
Double time!
Hey I can't edit my post!
You can't edit your posts in Network Briefings topics.
Oh. I didn't know that, Why?
Because sometimes your posts appear on the main page, so SkyWarp doesn't want them changed. Take my Hardy Boys Galaxy X #2: X-plosion post for example.