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Title: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Bigfootman on January 31, 2012, 08:00:47 AM
According to Paul Mular, the first Hardy Boys Adventures book will be called "Secret of the Red Arrow", and the first Nancy Drew Diaries Book will be called "Curse of the Arctic Star".
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on January 31, 2012, 12:30:31 PM
Hmm- sounds like a good start then.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on January 31, 2012, 04:48:59 PM
Hmm. These names sound like something from the Original continuity.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on January 31, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
They do... huh. I wonder what they'll be like! AHh, lol the suspense is killing me! :)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on January 31, 2012, 06:02:02 PM
QuoteHmm. These names sound like something from the Original continuity.
yeah- that's what I'm liking about them so far.
Secret of the Red Arrow is very close to The Sign of the Crooked Arrow
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on January 31, 2012, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Dan on January 31, 2012, 08:00:47 AM
According to Paul Mular, the first Hardy Boys Adventures book will be called "Secret of the Red Arrow", and the first Nancy Drew Diaries Book will be called "Curse of the Arctic Star".

8) The style of the title of the series and the book makes me very hopeful that it could be a great, cool mystery!!!! ;D and yeah, like JoeHardyRocks - the suspense - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh! ;D
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on January 31, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
Yeah, all hopeful signs so far...
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 01, 2012, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 31, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
They do... huh. I wonder what they'll be like! AHh, lol the suspense is killing me! :)

I know, me too. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Bigfootman on February 07, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
According to Paul Mular, the Hardy Boys Adventure and Nancy Drew Diaries books will be available in softcover and hardcover! The first and second books in both series will be released on January 2nd 2013. The third book in Nancy Drew Diaries is scheduled for June 2013
while the third book in The Hardy Boys Adventures is scheduled for October 2013.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on February 07, 2012, 08:20:07 PM
10 months seems rather long.  But the paperback and hardcover reminds me of the current "Starfleet Academy" series, but it might be a good idea too see how that series does once the fourth book is issued in June, since that will be exactly twelve months since book three was issued in that series.  It will probably give S&S an idea if 10 months or more is good to go between books, or if kids will lose interest in the series.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on February 07, 2012, 08:25:58 PM
Hey- paperback and hardcover versions? That sounds pretty cool. But obviously we're not talking the 20-something dollar hardbacks that get released first with a paperback version months later, are we? The Encyclopedia Brown series does this now with hardback versions at $16.99 or so if I remember correctly, and then a paperback version that's much cheaper about a year later. Of course, those books only come out every so often now. It seems like 2 or 3 times now I thought Donald J. Sobol was done with the books and then all of a sudden, I find another volume that is being released.
    Thanks for the info, Dan. I suppose Paul Mular must have some contacts on the inside with Simon & Schuster- and I guess they want to get the Hardy Boys collectors hyped for the new series as much as the kids they will hope to be marketing the series to.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on February 07, 2012, 08:31:59 PM
Paul Mular has also said to expect the prices to be (in USD) $5.99 for the paperbacks and $15.99 for the hardcovers (about the same as the Starfleet Academy series and those come with dustjackets for the hardcovers).
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on February 07, 2012, 10:33:12 PM
Wow- I don't know if I can afford that much for hardcovers...maybe I'll get the first hardcover and do the rest in paperback or something....I guess we'll see how it goes when the time comes (and see how my finances look them- lol)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on February 08, 2012, 01:20:00 AM
Wow, hardcover Hardy Boys novels! That's novel!
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on February 08, 2012, 07:32:43 PM
It was last attempted back in the 80's with the Wanderer books, but the hardcovers were more for libraries, but they were sold at bookstores. (The Greycastle Casefiles editions don't exactly uplift since they were printed in larger text for people with sight problems.)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on February 08, 2012, 10:29:41 PM
If you can find any of those early '80s hardcover Wanderer titles, they're a pretty neat and somewhat rare collectible to come by. I think it's just with the Wanderer titles though- do you all know if there were ever any hardcover Minstrel books released for The Hardy Boys Digests books?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on February 09, 2012, 01:51:01 AM
There were some large print Casefiles issued in hardcover as well.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on February 09, 2012, 07:03:43 AM
Quote from: SDLagent on February 09, 2012, 01:51:01 AM
There were some large print Casefiles issued in hardcover as well.

Those were the Greycastle Editions.

But h only hardcover Minstrel/Aladdin book that I can think of is the 75th anniversary hardcover that was a Borders exclusive;  everywhere else just got the book in paperback.  And there ws also the Just-For-Boys hardcover printing of #95 Danger On The Air back in 1989.  But neither was issued with a dustjacket.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on February 09, 2012, 01:16:32 PM
Okay- that's what I thought then. Yeah, I know about the Borders book and the Just For Boys book- cool collectibles, but not quite the same as the hardcover Wanderer books.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on February 09, 2012, 08:07:24 PM
I saw this tidbit on the Hardy Detective Agency's page (http://www.hardydetectiveagency.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15352)- according to the iTunes Bookstore site (I actually didn't even realize they had such a thing but I shouldn't be surprised- I'm pretty sure in this case, they're meaning E-books, rather than actual print copies)- anyway, apparently Secret of the Red Arrow is supposed to have 160 pages, so that's a pretty good-sized book. That sounds about like the length of the Digests books. I'm not sure right offhand how that compares with the Undercover Brothers books- the lengths for those seem to be kinda erratic from what I recall of flipping through them...
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on February 09, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Clicked on the link there, thanks, MacGyver! 8) All of the clues are shaping up in a very promising way! ;D It was just noted that paper and ebook come out on the same day, not that the iBookstore sells print copies. The UBs vary, some are 176, some 160, some yet other length of pages.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on March 22, 2012, 05:09:07 PM
I suppose it's safe to assume this book does not feature an appearance by Roy Harper...? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on March 22, 2012, 06:59:17 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on March 22, 2012, 05:09:07 PM
I suppose it's safe to assume this book does not feature an appearance by Roy Harper...? ;) ;D

That's the first thing I thought of too.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on March 26, 2012, 08:00:55 AM
Amazon.com has a preorder page (http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Red-Arrow-ebook/dp/B005C7CY0U/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332766742&sr=1-1) up for the eBook version of the title and it lists the release date for Secret of the Red Arrow as February 5, 2013.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on June 16, 2012, 03:13:26 PM
I didn't know where to put this, but the unamed third and fourth books in the series release dates are June 4 and October 22, 2013 according to Wikipedia. So 4 the first year! :D
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SkyWarp on June 16, 2012, 04:19:17 PM
The boys look awfully young on the cover of the first book.  In fact, they look like they may be 10-12 years old or younger.   :(  The cover does look nice though.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on June 16, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
.... Still crossing my fingers that they'll be at least 15 and 16... How old are the clues brothers or secret files or whatever they'll have running at the same time as this? Surely they won't be too similar in age?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on June 16, 2012, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: SkyWarp on June 16, 2012, 04:19:17 PM
The boys look awfully young on the cover of the first book.  In fact, they look like they may be 10-12 years old or younger.   :(  The cover does look nice though.

It's hard to tell.  Of course Joe has curly hair on the cover which seems to be a throwback to the Joe of the late-80's.  https://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/series/casefiles.php?book_no=033
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on June 17, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
I was wondering about this too. If they want to go back to the Original series, then Frank should be 16 and Joe at 15. However, I don't know if the boys on the cover of this book even look that old. I would prefer they stick with the standard ages of Frank at 18 and Joe at 17- the perpetually young teenagers who are also old enough and mature enough to do things most kids can't  (i.e. fly around the world, solve mysteries, take on bad guys ranging from pursesnatchers to terrorists, etc.)
But ages aside, the cover does look quite cool- it's actually a little reminiscent to me of a scene in The Vanishing Thieves, where Joe accidentally falls overboard from a ship while his hands are tied behind his back to an anchor! (One version of the British Armada paperback even used this scene for the cover.)
I'm definitely interested and excited to read the new Hardy Boys series- hopefully it will manage a good balance of the classic elements from the Original series (by this I mean the Revised versions) that encapsulate the core essentials of who The Hardys are, along with a blend of the newer technologies and cultural setting that the Casefiles and Undercover Brothers series brought, with a focus more on the basic fundamentals- Frank and Joe help their detective father on cases and wind up solving some mysteries of their own as well. I'd prefer they do more of those stories before having them get mixed up with any more government agencies and so forth... though it will be interesting to see if any Casefiles or UB-specific characters and organizations make appearances.... or for that matter, any chums or characters found mainly in the Original books. (i.e. Oscar Smuff, Jack Wayne, Sam Radley, etc.)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on June 18, 2012, 01:33:24 AM
Quote from: SkyWarp on June 16, 2012, 04:19:17 PM
The boys look awfully young on the cover of the first book.  In fact, they look like they may be 10-12 years old or younger.   :(  The cover does look nice though.

How can you tell how old they are by this cover? I can't really see enough to tell their age. Do you have an HQ image I'm not seeing?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on June 18, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
Look at Amazon.com's listing for the book- it offers a larger and more up close view of the cover.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on June 18, 2012, 07:34:40 PM
I still can't really see enough to tell the boys' ages. And, anyway, they've looked pretty young on covers before (and sometimes too old).
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on June 18, 2012, 07:36:03 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on June 18, 2012, 07:34:40 PM
I still can't really see enough to tell the boys' ages. And, anyway, they've looked pretty young on covers before (and sometimes too old).

Lol on some Casefiles they look like they're 35.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on June 18, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on June 18, 2012, 07:36:03 PM
Lol on some Casefiles they look like they're 35.

Yeah, I was really disappointed when I turned 17 and still didn't look like the Hardy boys.

And now I'm older than both of them. That's kinda weird actually.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on June 18, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on June 18, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
Yeah, I was really disappointed when I turned 17 and still didn't look like the Hardy boys.

And now I'm older than both of them. That's kinda weird actually.

Lol!

I'm now as old as Frank was in the originals. :o  Lol I still don't feel like any kids my age could be that awesome.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on June 18, 2012, 08:21:25 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on June 18, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
Lol!

I'm now as old as Frank was in the originals. :o  Lol I still don't feel like any kids my age could be that awesome.

Same here. Before I looked-up to Frank and Joe when I was reading the books. Now I just feel lame. lol
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on June 24, 2012, 06:51:40 PM
I've already seen the Secret of the Red Arrow cover at Amazon and Books-A-Million and I'm really impressed - it looks really cool! ;D 8) The intense drama in the scene, well-depicted from the expressions and the water rushing in, etc, will draw all readers looking to read a danger-filled mystery. The cover does its job well, by saying to everyone looking at it to read the story to find out what happens and how the brothers get out of that! No wait, it yells for you to! 8)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 10, 2012, 06:46:16 AM
I didn't think the boys looked too young on the Red Arrow cover, but looking again (and don't forget, you can zoom in to full size on the Amazon page) I can see how you could think that. The covers of the two Nancy Drew books that come out at the same time do make her seem younger than I'd expect and that's as much to do with her style of dress as her physical features. However, those covers have a slightly less realistic look than the Red Arrow one - Nancy has slightly oversized features giving her an almost doll-like look - so I'm not sure that's a useful comparison.
In any case, while it's nice to have painted covers showing an exciting scene from the book, it's what's inside that matters. Here's hoping the stories and the writing match up to the cover and title.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on July 10, 2012, 06:42:38 PM
Where have you seen the Nancy Drew covers? They're not on Amazon yet. Are you thinking of the Clue Crew graphic novels?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 11, 2012, 06:15:16 AM
Good point SDLAgent, I was going to post a link but completely forgot. Thanks for the reminder.
http://nancydrewsleuths.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/nancy-drew-diaries-cover-previews.html (http://nancydrewsleuths.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/nancy-drew-diaries-cover-previews.html)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on July 11, 2012, 08:20:34 AM
Very interesting- thanks for the link, Lungbarrow. I check out that blog every so often. I like the look for the Nancy Drew Diaries here, if it is what they wind up going with. (as the blog posted stated that those covers are not necessarily final.) However, I noticed a few things that some folks on the blog commented on- these covers are illustrated and for the most part, very well done at that, I think. (Even the font is pretty cool.) I do agree that Nancy could look just a bit older. And apparently her hair is blonde now, but I honestly don't care that much about that sort of thing (though Nancy is traditionally blonde in the original series.)
The summaries of the first two books were interesting to read too. It's nice that they seem to have a continuity running between books where the second picks right up where the first left off. I trust there will be enough of a self-contained mystery for each book though that one doesn't feel compelled to read the second one in order to "finish" the first one. (But certainly the publishers will want readers to feel compelled to come back for the next mystery in order to keep up with the series.) It sounds interesting and promising so far. Hopefully, The Hardy Boys Adventure Stories series will be the same.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on July 11, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
I like this cover design better than the Adventures cover. I don't know what's up with the "W" though. But this look is definitively more geared towards girls.

By the sounds of the plot summaries Nancy is about the same age as she usually is. It's interesting that the second book will be picking-up from the first book, considering that's pretty much what they were doing in the Girl Detective (and UB) series with the trilogies.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on July 11, 2012, 06:22:48 PM
I hope it will be done differently than in the trilogies. I got the feel that maybe it was meant to be an ongoing story arc so that every book would immediately follow from the last one. I could be wrong on that of course, but it would certainly be a compelling reason to get kids to buy every book.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 11, 2012, 06:36:00 PM
Well, the sysopses certainly make them sound pretty exciting - has anyone found out anything about the plots of the first two HBA books yet? In any case, I've already pre-ordered the first two books from both series - that'll be the first Nancy Drew books I read unless I pick any up between now and next year - if they're any good and I want to keep getting them, I'll probably switch to eBooks after that.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on July 11, 2012, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 11, 2012, 06:36:00 PM
Well, the sysopses certainly make them sound pretty exciting - has anyone found out anything about the plots of the first two HBA books yet? In any case, I've already pre-ordered the first two books from both series - that'll be the first Nancy Drew books I read unless I pick any up between now and next year - if they're any good and I want to keep getting them, I'll probably switch to eBooks after that.

I'm sure they'll be an interesting read, can't wait. 8)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on July 11, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on July 11, 2012, 06:22:48 PM
I hope it will be done differently than in the trilogies. I got the feel that maybe it was meant to be an ongoing story arc so that every book would immediately follow from the last one. I could be wrong on that of course, but it would certainly be a compelling reason to get kids to buy every book.

Well, it's not like similar strategies haven't been used in HB books before. Remember the not so subtle mention of the next book in the originals?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on July 11, 2012, 07:41:33 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on July 11, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
Well, it's not like similar strategies haven't been used in HB books before. Remember the not so subtle mention of the next book in the originals?

Yeah, I do. Really subtle... ::)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on July 11, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
I think the HBA covers look better.  The NDD covers make Nancy look only a year or two older than her Notebooks/Clue Crew self.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on July 11, 2012, 10:53:46 PM
She could pass for 16.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 12, 2012, 04:50:05 AM
Quote from: SDLagent on July 11, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
Remember the not so subtle mention of the next book in the originals?

In the Armada paperbacks I used to read here in the UK, they used to change them to reflect the different publishing order here. So, early in the books where it said (from The Disappearing Floor):
QuoteIt was true that they had worked on a number of exciting cases since their first one, The Tower Treasure. On their most recent adventure they had solved the mystery of The Twisted Claw.
They changed it to:
QuoteIt was true that they had worked on a number of exciting cases, some of them a bit hair-raising.
Often they would mention The Mystery of the Aztec Warrior as being their first case and at the end mention the next book in the UK sequence - in this case, The Mystery of the Desert Giant.
Later on in the series though, they stopped bothering to make the changes - I've got some UK printings which mention The Tower Treasure as their first adventure and what appear to be some random stories as the previous and subsequent books. I can't tell you how much that confused me when I was trying to collect all of their early adventures!
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on July 12, 2012, 07:51:42 AM
QuoteWell, it's not like similar strategies haven't been used in HB books before. Remember the not so subtle mention of the next book in the originals?
I remember those very well. That's kind of what I was referencing there....I was just thinking that this approach might be slightly more so subtle...
But I always liked the announcement of the next title at the end of the book. :)

QuoteOften they would mention The Mystery of the Aztec Warrior as being their first case and at the end mention the next book in the UK sequence - in this case, The Mystery of the Desert Giant.
Later on in the series though, they stopped bothering to make the changes - I've got some UK printings which mention The Tower Treasure as their first adventure and what appear to be some random stories as the previous and subsequent books. I can't tell you how much that confused me when I was trying to collect all of their early adventures!


I know exactly what you're talking about. I grew up reading the British version of The Hardy Boys books and this was rather confusing.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on July 16, 2012, 06:46:39 PM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 12, 2012, 04:50:05 AM
Later on in the series though, they stopped bothering to make the changes - I've got some UK printings which mention The Tower Treasure as their first adventure and what appear to be some random stories as the previous and subsequent books. I can't tell you how much that confused me when I was trying to collect all of their early adventures!

That was only for books 49 to 56, since they were printed by Grosset & Dunlap in the States (but with the copyright page, spine number, publisher on the spine and back cover, and the back cover book order representing the Collins order) due to the change in publishers from Grosset & Dunlap to Simon & Schuster, and in the UK the change occurred a year later between Collins and Angus & Robertson (although Collins managed to keep the paperback rights to the series).  So because of the court case, that's why those books were originally published with the incorrect titles being mentioned, but late in the 80's, when Collins got around to releasing the paperback Armada versions, the titles had been retype set and Anglicized and the correct titles were in the books. 

I know that Paul Mular has a copy of "A Figure In Hiding" from 1980 that's a Grosset & Dunlap American/Canadian edition, but the copyright page is the Collins copyright page that got in by accident.  "A Figure In Hiding" is #16 in the American/Canadian Series, but #49 in the Collins/Angus& Robertson series.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Fenlaur on July 16, 2012, 10:32:30 PM
I cannot wait for the new Hardy Boys! Feburary seems sooo far away!!!
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 17, 2012, 04:30:53 AM
Quote from: Tomswift2002 on July 16, 2012, 06:46:39 PM
That was only for books 49 to 56, since they were printed by Grosset & Dunlap in the States (but with the copyright page, spine number, publisher on the spine and back cover, and the back cover book order representing the Collins order) due to the change in publishers from Grosset & Dunlap to Simon & Schuster, and in the UK the change occurred a year later between Collins and Angus & Robertson (although Collins managed to keep the paperback rights to the series).  So because of the court case, that's why those books were originally published with the incorrect titles being mentioned, but late in the 80's, when Collins got around to releasing the paperback Armada versions, the titles had been retype set and Anglicized and the correct titles were in the books.

I've got the Mulberry/Paragon 2-in-1 of A Figure In Hiding and The Secret Warning from the bottom of this page: http://www.hardyboys.co.uk/gallery/49.php (http://www.hardyboys.co.uk/gallery/49.php) and, while it's been reset to match the UK style (chapter headings, page count) the other novels mentioned are the US ones. Luckily these two books share the same order in both series but they do mention The Tower Treasure instead of The Aztec Warrior and the other novels mentioned are wrong for the UK order.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on July 17, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
Do the UK Hardy Boys books have different spellings then the US versions?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on July 17, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 11, 2012, 06:15:16 AM
Good point SDLAgent, I was going to post a link but completely forgot. Thanks for the reminder.
http://nancydrewsleuths.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/nancy-drew-diaries-cover-previews.html (http://nancydrewsleuths.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/nancy-drew-diaries-cover-previews.html)

She looks 13. :(
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on July 17, 2012, 09:48:38 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on July 17, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
She looks 13. :(

Yeah, she does. :(
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 18, 2012, 03:06:13 AM
Quote from: Katie on July 17, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
Do the UK Hardy Boys books have different spellings then the US versions?

Often, yes. But I've found instances where whole phrases or words have been replaced with British versions. I just read The Disappearing Floor in the Armada paperback last week and checked it against the few pages available on Amazon's "look inside" feature. From memory, I noticed, the "trunk" of a car changed to "boot" and one instance of "good night!" as an exclamation changed to "good grief!". It's possible however that "good night!" was changed because it was felt to be outdated by the time the book got published in the UK - but that's just speculation now - it's certainly a phrase I've only ever heard used that way in Hardy Boys books.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 18, 2012, 03:36:29 AM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on July 17, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
She looks 13. :(

Don't worry about that as an indication of what age range the books are written for - the S&S web page states this for each book. The ones for Secret of the Red Arrow (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Secret-of-the-Red-Arrow/Franklin-W-Dixon/Hardy-Boys-Adventures/9781442465855 (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Secret-of-the-Red-Arrow/Franklin-W-Dixon/Hardy-Boys-Adventures/9781442465855)) and Curse of the Arctic Star (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Curse-of-the-Arctic-Star/Carolyn-Keene/Nancy-Drew-Diaries/9781442466104 (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Curse-of-the-Arctic-Star/Carolyn-Keene/Nancy-Drew-Diaries/9781442466104)) state ages 8-12. That's the same as the digests and the Undercover Brothers. The Secret Files are aimed at ages 6-9 so if that's what you're worried about, they're definitely not taking them down to that reading level.

If it's actually Nancy's (and therefore Frank and Joe's) age within the stories that you're worried about, read the synopses at that blog I linked to. Nancy has gone on a cruise with her friends and "an old friend of Nancy's, is the Assistant Cruise Director". That would indicate to me an age of 17-18 at the very least.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on July 18, 2012, 03:49:59 PM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 18, 2012, 03:06:13 AM
Often, yes. But I've found instances where whole phrases or words have been replaced with British versions. I just read The Disappearing Floor in the Armada paperback last week and checked it against the few pages available on Amazon's "look inside" feature. From memory, I noticed, the "trunk" of a car changed to "boot" and one instance of "good night!" as an exclamation changed to "good grief!". It's possible however that "good night!" was changed because it was felt to be outdated by the time the book got published in the UK - but that's just speculation now - it's certainly a phrase I've only ever heard used that way in Hardy Boys books.

Is the UB series the same spelling as the US versions?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 18, 2012, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: Katie on July 18, 2012, 03:49:59 PM
Is the UB series the same spelling as the US versions?

Well, I've only read two UBs and they were in eBook format, presumably from the US version of the text. Only the first four UB books were published in separate editions in the UK - others have been US editions with new barcode stickers on the back.

For the book Running on Fumes, you can compare some of the text online with the Amazon.co.uk (http://"http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1416904239/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d4_g14_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0D3H6WF53YTHFGEVAB9T&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128473&pf_rd_i=468294#reader_1416904239") and Amazon.com (http://"http://www.amazon.com/Running-Fumes-Hardy-Boys-Undercover/dp/1416900039/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342647144&sr=1-1&keywords=running+on+fumes#reader_1416900039") "look inside" features. I'd guess that if the text had been altered for the UK, the word "story" on page 3 would have been changed to "storey (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storey")" and on page 5, "drapes" would probably have been changed to "curtains (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtain")". Apart from chapter headings, the layout of the text looks exactly the same so I imagine no changes have been made for the British editions.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on July 18, 2012, 06:56:08 PM
According to the Hardy Boys UK website, aside from the removal of the graphics, and the changing of the chapter headings, apparently the the text is the exact same.  And even for the Casefiles Hybrids, apparently, they were printed right from the US plates.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on July 18, 2012, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 18, 2012, 03:36:29 AM
Don't worry about that as an indication of what age range the books are written for - the S&S web page states this for each book. The ones for Secret of the Red Arrow (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Secret-of-the-Red-Arrow/Franklin-W-Dixon/Hardy-Boys-Adventures/9781442465855 (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Secret-of-the-Red-Arrow/Franklin-W-Dixon/Hardy-Boys-Adventures/9781442465855)) and Curse of the Arctic Star (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Curse-of-the-Arctic-Star/Carolyn-Keene/Nancy-Drew-Diaries/9781442466104 (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Curse-of-the-Arctic-Star/Carolyn-Keene/Nancy-Drew-Diaries/9781442466104)) state ages 8-12. That's the same as the digests and the Undercover Brothers. The Secret Files are aimed at ages 6-9 so if that's what you're worried about, they're definitely not taking them down to that reading level.

If it's actually Nancy's (and therefore Frank and Joe's) age within the stories that you're worried about, read the synopses at that blog I linked to. Nancy has gone on a cruise with her friends and "an old friend of Nancy's, is the Assistant Cruise Director". That would indicate to me an age of 17-18 at the very least.

Oh, good, thanks! :) I'm still excited!
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on July 19, 2012, 07:09:44 AM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 18, 2012, 03:36:29 AM
The ones for Secret of the Red Arrow state ages 8-12.  The Secret Files are aimed at ages 6-9 so if that's what you're worried about, they're definitely not taking them down to that reading level.

Ages 6-9 and 8-12 overlap, so we should be a little worried.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 19, 2012, 07:48:43 AM
Quote from: Tomswift2002 on July 19, 2012, 07:09:44 AM
Ages 6-9 and 8-12 overlap, so we should be a little worried.

You've missed out the important part of my point - that the age range for the Adventures is the same as for the Undercover Brothers and indeed the Digests before that. The worry people seem to be expressing is that the new books are being aimed at a younger readership than in the past. In reality the age range that the main Hardy Boys books are aimed at hasn't changed.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on July 19, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 19, 2012, 07:48:43 AM
You've missed out the important part of my point - that the age range for the Adventures is the same as for the Undercover Brothers and indeed the Digests before that. The worry people seem to be expressing is that the new books are being aimed at a younger readership than in the past. In reality the age range that the main Hardy Boys books are aimed at hasn't changed.

Yeah, I think you're right.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on July 20, 2012, 08:16:55 AM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 19, 2012, 07:48:43 AM
You've missed out the important part of my point - that the age range for the Adventures is the same as for the Undercover Brothers and indeed the Digests before that. The worry people seem to be expressing is that the new books are being aimed at a younger readership than in the past. In reality the age range that the main Hardy Boys books are aimed at hasn't changed.

Well, with the Undercover Brothers they seemed to be aimed way lower than the Mystery Stories (either the Grosset & Dunlap books or the Simon & Schuster books).
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 20, 2012, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Tomswift2002 on July 20, 2012, 08:16:55 AM
Well, with the Undercover Brothers they seemed to be aimed way lower than the Mystery Stories (either the Grosset & Dunlap books or the Simon & Schuster books).

Well, there's another argument that could go back-and-forth without coming to any conclusion. There are however, a few indexes that can be run over texts which give a measure of reading age - perhaps an interesting experiment to do if anyone thinks it's worthwhile?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: SDLagent on July 20, 2012, 03:51:16 PM
I would say the Digests are aimed at pretty much the same demographic as the Undercover Brothers. The brothers are a bit more immature in the UB so this might make the books feel like they're for younger readers.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on July 20, 2012, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 20, 2012, 08:42:59 AM
Well, there's another argument that could go back-and-forth without coming to any conclusion. There are however, a few indexes that can be run over texts which give a measure of reading age - perhaps an interesting experiment to do if anyone thinks it's worthwhile?

I'm game. How would you do that?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Lungbarrow on July 24, 2012, 06:08:52 AM
If folks are interested in trying it, I'll look out a decent instructional website and start a new thread for it.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on July 24, 2012, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: Lungbarrow on July 24, 2012, 06:08:52 AM
If folks are interested in trying it, I'll look out a decent instructional website and start a new thread for it.

I'm interested. I wonder who else is?
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on February 06, 2013, 04:22:01 PM
Now that Secret of the Red Arrow has been released, Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Arrow-Hardy-Boys-Adventures/dp/1442446153/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_5) already has some reviews up for it. The general consensus from there and other places I've heard seems to be pretty much meh. Not bad necessarily, but not all that good either. It seems like it's trying to reach to both new and old fans and combine some things and it's coming up with mixed results. I haven't read the two books yet, so I haven't reached any firm conclusions just yet. I hope to read the first two books in the series soon though.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: P. Walker on February 06, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
just caught a continuity error.
In the Red Arrow, page 62, Frank has his smartphone, and makes a mention of specifically going into his email and watching a video.
In Phanton Heist, page 2, Frank says the they couldnt have smartphones until they started college, which is why Joe is so crazy about his tablet cos it could surf the Web, email and the like.

I understand if its some books down the line, but lazy slip-ups like this shouldnt happen within the first 2 books.


Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on February 06, 2013, 07:25:31 PM
Quote from: P. Walker on February 06, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
just caught a continuity error.
In the Red Arrow, page 62, Frank has his smartphone, and makes a mention of specifically going into his email and watching a video.
In Phanton Heist, page 2, Frank says the they couldnt have smartphones until they started college, which is why Joe is so crazy about his tablet cos it could surf the Web, email and the like.

I understand if its some books down the line, but lazy slip-ups like this shouldnt happen within the first 2 books.

That's disappointing. Each ghost writer should have to read the other books, if that was the case here. :P
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on February 07, 2013, 10:27:29 AM
I just looked that up myself last night. Wow- that is sad to have such an error only two books into the series. Sigh... well, mistakes happen, I suppose and I'm sure I'll get past it and enjoy reading other books in the series- but this kind of glaring error is really something editors should catch.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on March 12, 2013, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: P. Walker on February 06, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
just caught a continuity error.
In the Red Arrow, page 62, Frank has his smartphone, and makes a mention of specifically going into his email and watching a video.
In Phanton Heist, page 2, Frank says the they couldnt have smartphones until they started college, which is why Joe is so crazy about his tablet cos it could surf the Web, email and the like.

I understand if its some books down the line, but lazy slip-ups like this shouldnt happen within the first 2 books.




That's not the only slip-up, since in the RED ARROW, when the drug bust that led to the boys retirement was revealed, within two pages Neanderthal was described as first being the "former" star linebacker, because he was a part of the drug ring, and then on he next page it is mentioned that Neanderthal is still the Star Linebacker.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on March 12, 2013, 05:36:51 PM
Too bad... well, all I can say is that we shouldn't get overly critical on such things. After all, mistakes do happen sometimes, much as we'd rather they didn't. Still, it doesn't look good when it's in the first book of the new series....
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on March 12, 2013, 09:04:14 PM
I enjoyed the sections of Secret of the Red Arrow and Mystery of the Phantom Heist that were interesting and written well. 8)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on March 12, 2013, 09:10:42 PM
Yeah, that's how I look at it too. I try to look for the good in things and then enjoy the good things I can enjoy about it. (Like 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 says, "Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid all appearance of evil." :) 8))
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on March 13, 2013, 04:58:43 AM
Well with Red Arrow I keep getting the feeling that Simon & Schuster is really trying to break-away from the Undercover series, yet still be connected to the Secret Files (Aunt Gertrude living in the room above the garage).  ATAC hasn't been mentioned once, and it seems like Fenton Hardy isn't even thinking about starting it.  Although, I'm surprised that S&S has him as an author. 

And I guess we learn who Fenton's brother is after 32--- Ben Parker---er Hardy.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on March 13, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
Right now The Secret Files is the only other current Hardy Boys series so I can see why the Adventures series may try to keep continuity with that one in order to hopefully draw readers in as they graduate from the series aimed at younger kids to the one aimed at older kids. But I wonder if the Adventures is meant to be set chronologically before or after the Undercover Brothers series. It may just be because of my love for The Three Investigators, but I can see Fenton as a retired detective turned author. (In the T3I books there is a similar scenario- Hector Sebastian, the boys' mentor, is a retired detective who becomes an author of mystery stories.)
         I remember seeing the Ben Parker reference for Fenton's long-lost brother. Who knew The Hardy Boys were related to Spider-Man? (I'm assuming this is the same guy as Peter's Uncle Ben.  ;);D 8))
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: tomswift2002 on March 13, 2013, 10:30:16 PM
Just finished Red Arrow and Phantom Heist.  Both I'm giving a rating of 8.5 out of 10. 

The "Vanishing Game" (book 3) sounds intriguing, from the preview, but at the same time the plot also sounds like something that should be in the Secret Files.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on March 21, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Nice to see the hardback Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys books on library shelves- and these didn't even have to be rebound into a hardback!
(http://robinsafblibraryblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/nancy-drew-and-the-hardy-boys-return.png) (http://robinsafblibraryblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/nancy-drew-and-the-hardy-boys-return.png)This is totally making me want to hurry up and order hardback copies of these books though..... but I'm still waiting until I have the money to afford it.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Judah-Ben-Hur on May 10, 2013, 09:45:17 PM
I just finished Secret of the Red Arrow, and I must say it certainly is the biggest shake-up the series has seen since Iola got supposedly blown to bits. Tp preserve spoilers from those who haven't read this yet look away, but here's my thoughts on the book (*Possible Spoilers*)

Pros:
- Bayport feels realistically modern! Something that always struck me whenever reading older series (save UB, but I don't count that series for anything) Bayport always felt a bit of a mix between the 50s revision from the original series, and somewhat modern additions. Not a bad thing, but it still felt... off a bit. Maybe that was a personal thing for me, but Bayport felt real to me this time around.
-A reference to the coast? Someone remembered Bayport is coastal!!!
- Frank is not a weird awkward nerd. Well not completely. He still doesn't feel 100% like OS or CF Frank, but he's not the weirdo from UB. A bit of awkwardness mixed in, but it seems like a 25% UB Frank and 75% OS Frank.
- Character Development??? *gasp*
-Wait Frank and Joe have Teachers??? A principal???
-Frank and Joe have homework... and don't do it. XD
-Frank and Joe actually act like real brothers. Not that they haven't before, but lots of past books they acted more like partners at work. The boys here feel a bit more real, like me and my brother. After all that complaining about 'Brother Against Brother' being a bit cold on the brotherly love I think the writer gets brotherhood here.
-Guns? YAY!!! Fights ??? YAY!!!
- This universe is in line with Current events! The mentioning of a fallen soldier in the War in Afghanistan, and Latenight TV hosts seem realistic. Not overdone, either.
-No ATAC.
-Continuity!!!! YAY!!!!

Cons:
-Lack of Continuity. BOO!!!! Where is Callie Shaw???? Why is Joe hung up on some chick I've never heard of???? Is Iola still dead in this universe?Where is Chief Collig???? What happened to him? Phil, Jerry, Biff, where are the gang? If we're going to play the VM (more on this later) card lets do it right, or at least with an explanation.
- Some jumps are confusing. Joe puts the barrel of his gun against Frank's head at the end of Chapter one. What happens to it in chapter 2???? Bunyan's an ex-football player, and then he isn't. Also the smart phone thing.
Also, the whole police called to Bunyan's home after being beat up? I would think his parents and the police would have wanted a little more info from both the Bunyan siblings and the Hardys. How the heck did you get the feed to his room? why did you call the police? Why do your friends think your getting beaten up?? why can your friends watch you sleep??? None of these are asked, my parents sure would have. Heck, I'm surprised that Fenton and Mrs.H didn't give their sons a hard look over.
-Laura Hardy.... Saleswoman? I think I liked Librarian better, it fit her doormat persona. (this comes from a librarian, so I do think the quiet overly helpful trait fits this line of work) Also, she shows up twice, the second only in reaction to Aunt Trudy screaming. It almost feels like she's tacked on.
-Aunt Trudy lives above the garage? *holds sides laughing while he rolls on the floor* That's as believable as her accepting Trudy as her name, or not chewing out Frank for lying about his ankle. She seems too quite and un-controlling this round.
- the Hardy Boys lying to their parents, again this is a VM card thing, and it makes sense with that, but it's bad form and seems unlike the boys.
-Joe mentions they never use to ask their father's help when they were allowed to investigate. *laughed in Joe's face* Ok, so I'm guess you forgot anything that happened in like the first 20 books in the original series. When was there a book you didn't ask your dad something???
- Modern references, Connan O'Briain will be so outdated in 10 years. This is why the original series never made mention of... oh say Clark Gable, or Charlie McCarthy, or how much Callie might have looked like Veronica Lake. Don't know those people? point proven.

I really did like the premise for this series, but by the time I got to the end of the book, I noticed too many similarities to the TV series Veronica Mars (hence the VM card). One of my favorite series, for those of you that haven't heard of it, is like Nancy Drew mixed into a blender with Phillip Marlow. A former High School cheerleader, and daughter of the town sheriff, finds her life turned upside down when her best friend (daughter of the town's head billionaire) is found murdered. Her father pegs the wrong guy and looses his job, her mom leaves, and Veronica gets drugged and taken advantage of at a party. She becomes determined with solving her best friend's murder and becomes a teen detective.  Now that doesn't sound like the HBA premise right off, but both have the father loosing their job because of the big series crutch (the murder in VM, the boy's sleuthing mishaps in HBA),  Both take cases from classmates, both are disliked by local law enforcement (HBA switches VM's dynamic by making the chief the sympathetic one, and his cops the enemies), Both series have a strong reliance on the father figure,  and the taser scene.  Veronica is known for carrying a taser, and I'm pretty sure the "Mr.Sparky" is a quote I've heard from the series. I'm a bit surprised to find it in the HBA series and not the NDD series, but I guess boys take dark material better. Veronica Mars also is famous for it's voiced over monologues, which the Hardy Boys do, but may also be part of the first person narrative. This being said, pulling the VM card is not a bad thing, it's possible to do a G/PG rated version of it. The series just needs to be a bit tighter. VM ran on high continuity and tightly scripted mystery arcs on very well developed characters. The problem is, that HBA has 152 pages to pull that off not a 26 episode season. They might do it over a few books, but I think it would have benefited them by bringing in the characters the boys have been with the last 80 years. Chief Collig, trying to tell the boys not to sleuth is more investing than Gomez. Callie Shaw or Iola trying to be a normal couple with the boys , putting the kidnappings, shots, explosions and other things behind them and be normal. That would have made it more interesting. But we still have 2 (3 for me) books left to go. It's the right direction, but only a few steps.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on May 17, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Interesting analysis. Thanks for the breakdown. I'm getting the feeling that while this series might be an improvement from the Undercover Brothers in some ways- it's still got plenty of issues in other ways (In fact, it sounds like some of the issues the UB books suffer from too.)
     I found another review (http://edgereviews.wordpress.com/2013/02/10/book-review-hardy-boys-adventures-book-1-the-secret-of-the-red-arrow/) of the first book of the series online (I don't think this review has any major spoilers.) But it does mention that Frank and Joe are once again using foul language! Sigh... I would've hoped the writers had gotten the message that this is one thing that is SO unlike The Hardy Boys and has no place there- particularly in a children's series.
      (For the record, Judah-Ben-Hur- I did actually recognize the names you mentioned and I did know who 2 of them were- the last one I've heard before but I wasn't totally sure, so I had to look it up.) But yeah- I definitely agree on that point.
       It's sad that I basically don't feel I can trust much of the entertainment industry to produce anything worth watching on television or at the movies (with rare exceptions here and there) or even higher quality literature in this classic and enduring children's book series.
       Not to cast a bad pallor on the series or be a downer, but I'm getting the feeling that I'll wind up collecting this series for the sake of building my Hardy Boys collection, but I may not read much of it for a while. I still have only read the first book in the UB series and have not gotten around to any others, though I do have them all.......
        (And for the record, I will probably try to read the UB books sometime just for the sake of completeness- but I'm not real enthused by them and that's sad.) I don't want the Adventures series to become like that, so I really do hope future books will build on the good things that have been established for this series and improve from there.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Judah-Ben-Hur on May 17, 2013, 10:21:15 AM
I don't remember coming across any foul language, unless I think we're counting 'Hell" which I believe was in there (but I don't think it came from the brothers). I do remember a casefiles like- "I swore", but no actual swearing.
you get bonus points for recognizing those names. The first book isn't bad, and it's miles ahead of what I've read in the UB. I have a feeling they wanted to do something more different like casefiles, but didn't want to go too far from the original series which leaves it in an interesting, but overly cautious grey area. that being said, this series does seem to be in a separate continuity.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on May 17, 2013, 01:08:44 PM
QuoteI don't remember coming across any foul language, unless I think we're counting 'Hell" which I believe was in there (but I don't think it came from the brothers). I do remember a casefiles like- "I swore", but no actual swearing.
I'm glad to hear it wasn't from Frank and Joe, but nonetheless, I don't want to hear it from any of the characters, including the villians. If they're going to do that, I'd rather see the "So and so swore softly" type lines than to have the words written out.

Quoteyou get bonus points for recognizing those names.
Well, thanks- I try to stay cultured. lol ;D That and I like a lot of older things and history in general.

QuoteThe first book isn't bad, and it's miles ahead of what I've read in the UB. I have a feeling they wanted to do something more different like casefiles, but didn't want to go too far from the original series which leaves it in an interesting, but overly cautious grey area. that being said, this series does seem to be in a separate continuity.
The continuity certainly sounds interesting- I don't know if it's the best, but it's different anyway. Hopefully, it'll be really good overall.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on May 20, 2013, 06:40:22 PM
I read both Secret of the Red Arrow and Mystery of the Phantom Heist and there definitely wasn't any foul language in either book. 8)
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: MacGyver on May 20, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
Okay- thanks for the reassurance. I appreciate that. :) 8) I was just basing my previous comment on an online review I read, so I wasn't sure at the time.
Title: Re: Secret of the Red Arrow
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on May 24, 2013, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on May 20, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
Okay- thanks for the reassurance. I appreciate that. :) 8) I was just basing my previous comment on an online review I read, so I wasn't sure at the time.

You're welcome, MacGyver. :)