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Title: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on September 29, 2008, 03:09:47 PM
The series is  based on them, all of them are, they are the hardy boys, which one is better, which one has all the cool stuff. And also which brother is the coolest.

Example (This is not my opinion):

Frank Hardy
Coolest, cause he gets all the girls
And knows about computers
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on September 29, 2008, 08:26:35 PM
Joe:

Coolest, because he has more action.

BTW, what is your opinion, then?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: 003Robin457 on September 29, 2008, 08:30:11 PM
Big surprise that JoeHardyRocks likes Joe better. ;)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Kerin on September 29, 2008, 09:56:01 PM
Frank!  ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on September 29, 2008, 10:17:37 PM
Depends...I think I liked Joe when I was younger, but now I like Frank. However, the way they write them in all the series differs too, so.

I'm almost getting into the territory of liking them equally, but I don't think that's possible (or at least, it's difficult).

So everyone, if Frank and Joe were in a burning building...;)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on September 29, 2008, 11:25:57 PM
I like Frank...but hate what $&$ did to him in the UB! Poor Frank.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: tomswift2002 on September 30, 2008, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: SDLagent on September 29, 2008, 11:25:57 PM
I like Frank...but hate what $&$ did to him in the UB! Poor Frank.

Same here.  I was just rereading Training For Trouble (Digest #161) the other day and I found the Frank Hardy in TFT was more mature and could at least defend himself better than the Frank Hardy in Deprivation House.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on September 30, 2008, 10:56:16 AM
Joe: He flirts more
And he knows how to talk when trouble comes.
Though I like Frank's computing skills!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on September 30, 2008, 05:40:33 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on September 30, 2008, 10:56:16 AM
Joe: He flirts more
And he knows how to talk when trouble comes.
Though I like Frank's computing skills!

I like Joe for that reason, too. But you think Frank is cool because he can mess with the computer? ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: FrankJoeATAC on September 30, 2008, 06:03:34 PM
Frank!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on September 30, 2008, 07:59:52 PM
Quote from: FrankJoeATAC on September 30, 2008, 06:03:34 PM
Frank is boring!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on September 30, 2008, 10:00:13 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on September 30, 2008, 07:59:52 PM
Joe's a dimwit! He has an earpiece so Frank can tell him what to say!

;)

Oh...I actually insulted a Hardy, that's a first. Sorry, Joe...even though you're a ficitonal character...it wasn't aimed at you necessarily...
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on October 01, 2008, 01:16:27 AM
They're a team. Enough said.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 01, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Ahh.. I just want to say before I start this. This is post number 100 for me.... I am getting closer to the 1000.....

First, and formost I like the computer, and I like Franks computer skills. We all have computer skills, I think most of  us are typing are posts. I like Frank cause he can do more than that on a computer.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on October 01, 2008, 03:42:03 PM
So, are you just posting for the sake of your post count?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 02, 2008, 11:14:14 AM
I don't post for the sake of posting though.. No, I dont I DONT, I do like how frank has computer skills!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: NZone on October 02, 2008, 05:07:27 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 02, 2008, 11:14:14 AM
I don't post for the sake of posting though.. No, I dont I DONT, I do like how frank has computer skills!

Yeah. He's a postcountaholic, but don't worry, I beat it. I can show you the way. *Light beams down from heaven onto bozonessinc. He looks up to see Negative Zone dangling from the ceiling shining flashlight down on him. Negative Zone is pulled up by Spider-Man and they escape.*
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 03, 2008, 02:39:03 PM
OK YOUR CRAZY
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on October 04, 2008, 08:48:09 PM
Why are you yelling? :-[
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Bigfootman on October 05, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 02, 2008, 11:14:14 AM
I do post for the sake of posting... I do I DO, I do like posting posting random stuff!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Bigfootman on October 05, 2008, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 03, 2008, 02:39:03 PM
OK I'M CRAZY!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 06, 2008, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 05, 2008, 06:49:51 PM
I'm a wackjob who knows how honourable bozonessinc is.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 06, 2008, 06:05:22 PM
How can a wack-job have a sane or logical opinion of someone else? Uh, never mind :-X
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Bigfootman on October 06, 2008, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 06, 2008, 11:11:55 AM
I have no idea what wack-job means.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 07, 2008, 11:04:36 AM
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 06, 2008, 06:18:54 PM
I have huge feet and can't walk, and I will shut up now!!!
THANKS
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on October 08, 2008, 01:24:44 AM
Okay...back on topic. Look what i found.

http://fan.misteryosa.com/frank/index.php
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 08, 2008, 01:34:18 AM
Wow. At first I thought it would either be limited to the GNs Frank or the UBs Frank, but it's for him across every series.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on October 08, 2008, 01:36:10 AM
Yeah and then there's this on the about page:

QuoteIn the continuity series, he's a member of the association founded by his father, American Teens Against Crime. Callie isn't his girlfriend, and he's completely out of character when compared to the Frank fans have known and loved, as he's revealed to be nervous around girls.

So strange choice of a header.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 08, 2008, 01:37:29 AM
You mean the picture of Frank from the GN?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on October 08, 2008, 01:44:30 AM
Yeah...although it's nicely done. And the GN Frank is a bit closer to the original Frank, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 08, 2008, 01:46:42 AM
I agree. He's closer to all the "Franks".

The UB Frank is the odd one out so to speak.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 08, 2008, 10:52:59 AM
So now instead of having debates over ATAC versus the casefiles series (by the way, I am in the middle of reading a good casefiles book) (even though I am an atac fan), we are now we Frank Vs. Joe.

Is that all we can do argue? Yes, of course. Would anyone be suprised if after I read the Casefiles my whole point of view changes.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 08, 2008, 04:45:59 PM
Well...I don't see this as a debate. It's just people's preferences or favourite characters in this case.

But we're also discussing how characters change or how they're portrayed. So stereotypes do come up. Okay, not stereotypes but exaggerated characteristics. Because if I stay "stereotypes", then I'm calling Frank and Joe a stereotype. They sort of are in a way though because of the organization of the series...
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on October 09, 2008, 01:02:23 AM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 08, 2008, 10:52:59 AM
So now instead of having debates over ATAC versus the casefiles series (by the way, I am in the middle of reading a good casefiles book) (even though I am an atac fan), we are now we Frank Vs. Joe.

Is that all we can do argue? Yes, of course. Would anyone be suprised if after I read the Casefiles my whole point of view changes.

Okaaay. Ah, I don't really see any Frank vs. Joe fights lately, but whatever...
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 11, 2008, 08:22:07 PM
Preferences Vs. Preferences..

WAR STARTS HERE..
Ex My preference is for the _____ because they ________________________________________

Here I go:

My preference is for the UB's because they are contiually the same and follow the same story line.
YOUR ALL NEXT
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on October 11, 2008, 09:51:15 PM
My preference is for the UBs because they are written well and are good books for kids.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 11, 2008, 10:59:05 PM
Oh, I thought we were doing preferences for Frank or Joe?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 12, 2008, 12:02:46 PM
My preference is for the Casefiles because the boys go up against a number of gangs with four, five or more people in them; the boys solve crimes that actually make sense and deal with more crimes than murder plus the criminals are a lot smarter than the criminals in the Undercover Brothers.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 12, 2008, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 11, 2008, 09:51:15 PM
My preference is for the UBs because they are written well and are good books for kids.
For kids?
Teens read them too...
And enjoy them mind you...
So there good for all ages.
I think an adult could enjoy them to..
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 12, 2008, 12:09:05 PM
Quote from: bones on October 12, 2008, 12:07:20 PM
For kids?
Teens read them too...
And do not enjoy them mind you...
So they are not good for all ages.
I think an adult could never enjoy them to..

Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 12, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
What was the target age for the books? Obviously anyone can read them, just wondering. And I'm well out of the range anyways.

I think it was 8-12 for UBs, and ... ? ? ? for Casefiles?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 12, 2008, 05:28:54 PM
Casefiles were targeted at Pre-Teens and Teenagers.  Grades 7-11.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on October 12, 2008, 06:19:29 PM
Well, UBs are good for anyone, but I was implying that they are targeted for pre-teens, or kids.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 13, 2008, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 12, 2008, 06:19:29 PM
Well, UBs are good for anyone, but I was implying that they are targeted for pre-teens, or kids.

UB's are not good for anyone. 
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 13, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
Seriously, some people who are 14-19 still read em..
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: 003Robin457 on October 13, 2008, 02:38:06 PM
I'm past the target age and I still read them. :-\
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 13, 2008, 02:45:00 PM
Like I said before, "obviously anyone can read them"...
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on October 13, 2008, 06:08:11 PM
I'm in the target range and I read them, and FJATAC is out and she still reads them.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 14, 2008, 02:26:13 PM
I am outta target range and I still read the UB's, have so for a couple o' years.  And I know people within the age range who enjoy them.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: FrankJoeATAC on October 14, 2008, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 13, 2008, 06:08:11 PM
I'm in the target range and I read them, and FJATAC is out and she still reads them.

I'm not that far out of range, though.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on October 14, 2008, 06:57:03 PM
Yeah, nearly 2 years.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: bozonessinc on October 16, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
Well, you can still enjoy them out of range, and enjoy other books though. Like CSI: Miami books, I get maybe more outta then UBs
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 16, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
Well I'm only in my early 20's, and I find that the Frank and Joe of the UB's act nothing like the kids did in high school when I went a few years ago, or any of the high school kids that I see today.

For me, I identify more with the Frank and Joe Hardy from the Casefiles and Original/Digest continuities.

Of course, I also read lots of books from the Star Trek line as well (doesn't matter what series, although I'm not that much into the Original series line, but I still collect the Original series line).
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on October 16, 2008, 08:59:59 PM
I most identify with...just kidding. I'm a female ::)

Hey, are there any quizzes regarding the characters? I want to see if I'm an Iola, Callie, Nancy, Belinda - and is there anyone else besides Aunt Gertrude/Trudy and Mrs. Hardy? Oh yeah. George and Bess, but I don't know how far we'd stretch the HBs universe.

I'm guessing I'm not an Iola, believe it or not.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: hardy boys fan on November 23, 2008, 04:51:11 PM
i like frank better
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Q on December 11, 2008, 11:41:13 AM
One look at your avatar will point that out.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on December 11, 2008, 11:54:56 PM
You should change it, though. That's Tom's.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on December 28, 2008, 09:55:54 PM
I kept mistaking him for tom, but then I think, Tom wouldn't make that many spelling mistakes! :D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: joshuamiguel on July 07, 2009, 06:23:02 PM
As usual, I like Frank, because he's a great Planner is some missions, get the girls and great smarts and computer skills  ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: lola8256 on November 30, 2010, 11:02:24 AM
I feel that Frank can be a bit slow at times... but on the overall both guys are great detectives. :)

By the way, does anyone know who are the boys on the latest covers of the books (killer mystery trilogy, galaxy X trilogy etc)? Never seen them before on any of the covers of the previous books... and there's nothing on the internet about them too. It'd be really interesting if anyone can actually find out who they really are... lol.

Well, I've got nothing else to say, so... Merry Christmas? :-)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on November 30, 2010, 07:24:43 PM
I don't know who the models are on the new covers. I've wondered, too.

And your the first person I've heard that says Frank is slow. Isn't he supposed to be the quick-witted thinker?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on November 30, 2010, 09:03:03 PM
Maybe they meant athletically? It does seem that Joe tends to be a bit more active sometimes- but both of them have played football and track in the books. And they've both done fencing and I'm pretty sure they play basketball too. (I know they play in Slam Dunk Sabotage but I can't remember if it's both of them or just Joe that's mentioned. But either way, both Frank and Joe are mentioned as being pretty athletic and it seems they can both are pretty strong and can run pretty fast when they need to.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: hardygirl847 on December 11, 2010, 04:47:25 PM
I am now in my *ahem* later 20s...but don't worry...I don't act like it. At all. LOL

So I don't feel like I'm in the target age range, but I don't care. HBs are classics. I giggle when older people than even me say they loved the Hardys "when I was a kid". I STILL love them. I don't even care who knows it!

I am definitely more fond of the Casefiles series but I am getting more and more into the other series. UBs are trying to gear towards what you were calling the "target age range" but I think they should stick to being classics. Classics don't need to conform.

It's understandable that they are trying though. I think the best reach to the younger target age range is the GNs. Those are really big right now.

I love Frank and Joe, but I do say I like Frank a tad more...if I had to choose. He is definitely not slow at times or EVER. If you are referring to instances in the UBs, please redirect your attention to the Originals, Casefiles, or even the Digests. Both boys are always smart, funny, and athletic in those stories. To what degree is depending on the boy and the circumstance.

UBs, I will admit, paint a somewhat different picture in some of them. They definitely try to make them seem younger.

I, too, find the Casefiles to be easier to relate.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 02, 2011, 07:46:06 PM
I think the UB's are easier for me to relate to.  :) 8)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on February 03, 2011, 01:18:20 AM
Because you're a kid of the 2000s...
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on February 03, 2011, 12:35:49 PM
Technically we're kids of the 90's ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 03, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
Where are the kids of the '80s? :D 8)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on February 03, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
Kids of the 80's are like REALLY old, like 30!!!!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 03, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
Not quite- that depends on when you were born. Technically, a kid born in 1989 would still be a kid of the '80s and only be 21 or 22.

But of course, what was I thinking? 30? That's, like, ancient!!!!
What is this- Logan's Run? Don't trust anyone over 30.
lol ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 03, 2011, 04:04:16 PM
Yeah. :) I so don't get the caseflies with the lack of technology. How hard was it not to let them have cell phones, laptops, GPS and other stuff?  ???
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 03, 2011, 05:21:47 PM
In The Hardy Boys Casefiles series, the books were first published in 1987. They kept publishing them all the way through 1998.
At that time, cell phones were certainly around "all the way back" in the 1980s. However, they were fairly expensive and pretty bulky and it was just not very common for a lot of people to have them other than Zack Morris. ;)
(http://www.clevescene.com/images/blogimages/2011/01/17/1295279046-zack-morris-phone.jpg)
Laptops may well have been around in the late '80s and into the '90s- but again, they were not very common for a lot of people and they were also quite expensive. Thus, not many people had them. The GPS was not available for the public market nearly as readily as it is now (though the technology did exist all the way back to the '70s - but that's how a lot of things got started. The government had top secret technology projects being worked on and eventually they filtered down to the general public market), but The Hardy Boys certainly knew how to use a compass. As the books progressed, Frank and Joe did use technology a bit more as that became more common. Even back in 1987's Evil, Inc. Frank gets a modem from The Network and has to go to a computer store to get the right part to hook it up to his computer. That was pretty cutting edge at the time.
          And that's another factor to remember. For the most part in the Casefiles, The Hardy Boys are employing up to date technology, but when looking back on it, it of course looks out of date because it is from our current perspective. Of course, if you think that's a stretch, try reading the Original Text version of The Hardy Boys books and notice the differences from late 1920s and early 1930s culture and technology to today. I think it's kind of fun to read these books set in earlier times when so much technology was not as readily available. I think it makes things a bit more challenging when the Hardy Boys have to find a landline phone to make a call because they don't just have a cell phone at the ready or even a car phone (which was fairly popular in the 1980s and early '90s). Some of this technology can become an easy crutch for writers to use instead of creating a bit more challenging situation and creative solution.
It sometimes makes one wonder how people ever survived back in the 1700s when they didn't have cars and telephones and computers and all the stuff we have today. They did have books though and people were a lot more excited for them at that time I think. Sometimes  I think it would be rather nice to have a time machine like in the Back to the Future movies and be able to try living life in another earlier time period. I think remembering history makes you all the more grateful for what is available today.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 03, 2011, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 03, 2011, 05:21:47 PM
In The Hardy Boys Casefiles series, the books were first published in 1987. They kept publishing them all the way through 1998.
At that time, cell phones were certainly around "all the way back" in the 1980s. However, they were fairly expensive and pretty bulky and it was just not very common for a lot of people to have them other than Zack Morris. ;)
(http://www.clevescene.com/images/blogimages/2011/01/17/1295279046-zack-morris-phone.jpg)
Laptops may well have been around in the late '80s and into the '90s- but again, they were not very common for a lot of people and they were also quite expensive. Thus, not many people had them. The GPS was not available for the public market nearly as readily as it is now (though the technology did exist all the way back to the '70s - but that's how a lot of things got started. The government had top secret technology projects being worked on and eventually they filtered down to the general public market), but The Hardy Boys certainly knew how to use a compass. As the books progressed, Frank and Joe did use technology a bit more as that became more common. Even back in 1987's Evil, Inc. Frank gets a modem from The Network and has to go to a computer store to get the right part to hook it up to his computer. That was pretty cutting edge at the time.
          And that's another factor to remember. For the most part in the Casefiles, The Hardy Boys are employing up to date technology, but when looking back on it, it of course looks out of date because it is from our current perspective. Of course, if you think that's a stretch, try reading the Original Text version of The Hardy Boys books and notice the differences from late 1920s and early 1930s culture and technology to today. I think it's kind of fun to read these books set in earlier times when so much technology was not as readily available. I think it makes things a bit more challenging when the Hardy Boys have to find a landline phone to make a call because they don't just have a cell phone at the ready or even a car phone (which was fairly popular in the 1980s and early '90s). Some of this technology can become an easy crutch for writers to use instead of creating a bit more challenging situation and creative solution.
It sometimes makes one wonder how people ever survived back in the 1700s when they didn't have cars and telephones and computers and all the stuff we have today. They did have books though and people were a lot more excited for them at that time I think. Sometimes  I think it would be rather nice to have a time machine like in the Back to the Future movies and be able to try living life in another earlier time period. I think remembering history makes you all the more grateful for what is available today.

How was Frank having a modem cutting edge? ???
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on February 03, 2011, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 03, 2011, 04:04:16 PM
Yeah. :) I so don't get the caseflies with the lack of technology. How hard was it not to let them have cell phones, laptops, GPS and other stuff?  ???

Because it was the 80s! Cell phones and laptops weren't created by the big bang you know.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 03, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on February 03, 2011, 06:01:29 PM
Because it was the 80s! Cell phones and laptops weren't created by the big bang you know.

Yeah. I guess I'm so used to seeing them in everyday life that I forget that we didn't always have them around! ::)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 03, 2011, 09:04:01 PM
QuoteHow was Frank having a modem cutting edge?
I doubt many people would have had them in 1987 outside of the elite electronic geeks, basically.
There was a time when certain technology could really only be used by programmers because they were the only ones who really understood how to use them. It wasn't until Internet browsers started becoming readily available to the public by about 1993 or 1994 with the advent of Mosaic and later Internet Explorer that more of the mainstream consumers started using modems and getting connected to the Internet and such.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on February 04, 2011, 03:04:33 AM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 03, 2011, 09:04:01 PM
I doubt many people would have had them in 1987 outside of the elite electronic geeks, basically.
There was a time when certain technology could really only be used by programmers because they were the only ones who really understood how to use them. It wasn't until Internet browsers started becoming readily available to the public by about 1993 or 1994 with the advent of Mosaic and later Internet Explorer that more of the mainstream consumers started using modems and getting connected to the Internet and such.

Yeah, computers and the Internet were a lot harder to use back then.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on February 04, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
Ahh, us dag-nabbit teenagers are so spoiled rotten with our fancy gadgets! ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 04, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 04, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
Ahh, us dag-nabbit teenagers are so spoiled rotten with our fancy gadgets! ;D

Yeah. I think we are too! ;D 8) ;)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: tomswift2002 on February 06, 2011, 02:35:58 PM
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 03, 2011, 05:35:28 PM
How was Frank having a modem cutting edge? ???

Well, back in the 1980's, modems weren't built into computers like they are today.  For the most part they were an external accessory that you could buy for any computer to allow you to check BBS's, and send some electronic email.  But, considering that the speed of the Internet back in the 80's was counted in "Bauds", which is much slower than the 256k modems (that you heard of up to about 6 or 7 years ago), sometimes you would spend 30 to 45 minutes dialing into one site.  In the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperSleuths! Volume 2 book, the winter story that takes place in River Heights, you can get a sense of how "advance" the idea of communication between bank computers using the telephone line was, and how a lot of times "dialing into the internet" actually meant picking up a phone receiver and placing it into a cradle on the modem to allow for the computer and phone line to "talk" to one another (not to mention that when you were on the internet, you couldn't be on the phone at the same time).

But, I remember that in #74. Road Pirates, Frank and Joe actual discover that you are able to send a fax via a computer with a fax modem (that looks like an ordinary modem) without having an actual fax machine.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 06, 2011, 04:39:23 PM
QuoteBut, I remember that in #74. Road Pirates, Frank and Joe actual discover that you are able to send a fax via a computer with a fax modem (that looks like an ordinary modem) without having an actual fax machine.
Right- and that book was released in 1993!
QuoteWell, back in the 1980's, modems weren't built into computers like they are today.  For the most part they were an external accessory that you could buy for any computer to allow you to check BBS's, and send some electronic email.  But, considering that the speed of the Internet back in the 80's was counted in "Bauds", which is much slower than the 256k modems (that you heard of up to about 6 or 7 years ago), sometimes you would spend 30 to 45 minutes dialing into one site.  In the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperSleuths! Volume 2 book, the winter story that takes place in River Heights, you can get a sense of how "advance" the idea of communication between bank computers using the telephone line was, and how a lot of times "dialing into the internet" actually meant picking up a phone receiver and placing it into a cradle on the modem to allow for the computer and phone line to "talk" to one another (not to mention that when you were on the internet, you couldn't be on the phone at the same time).
I always thought it was pretty neat when they connected to the Internet with the phone receiver and a modem on 1980s shows. I seem to recall an episode or two of MacGyver doing this.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 06, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 06, 2011, 04:39:23 PM
Right- and that book was released in 1993!  I always thought it was pretty neat when they connected to the Internet with the phone receiver and a modem on 1980s shows. I seem to recall an episode or two of MacGyver doing this.

What? I have no idea what you're on about. ???
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 06, 2011, 11:46:22 PM
http://www.hdtvtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15433

This link might help explain. The history of modems actually goes back quite a ways.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 07, 2011, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 06, 2011, 11:46:22 PM
http://www.hdtvtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15433 (http://www.hdtvtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15433)

This link might help explain. The history of modems actually goes back quite a ways.

I never knew that. :)

Quote from: tomswift2002 on February 06, 2011, 02:35:58 PM
Well, back in the 1980's, modems weren't built into computers like they are today.  For the most part they were an external accessory that you could buy for any computer to allow you to check BBS's, and send some electronic email.  But, considering that the speed of the Internet back in the 80's was counted in "Bauds", which is much slower than the 256k modems (that you heard of up to about 6 or 7 years ago), sometimes you would spend 30 to 45 minutes dialing into one site.  In the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperSleuths! Volume 2 book, the winter story that takes place in River Heights, you can get a sense of how "advance" the idea of communication between bank computers using the telephone line was, and how a lot of times "dialing into the internet" actually meant picking up a phone receiver and placing it into a cradle on the modem to allow for the computer and phone line to "talk" to one another (not to mention that when you were on the internet, you couldn't be on the phone at the same time).

But, I remember that in #74. Road Pirates, Frank and Joe actual discover that you are able to send a fax via a computer with a fax modem (that looks like an ordinary modem) without having an actual fax machine.

30 to 45 minutes dialing into one site? That's weird. As well as sending a fax via a computer without having a fax machine. That's really weird! ???   
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on February 07, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
LOL I remember when I was really little, that I wasn't allowed to use the phone when my parents were on the computer! :D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 07, 2011, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 07, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
LOL I remember when I was really little, that I wasn't allowed to use the phone when my parents were on the computer! :D

So do I! :) It was so weird, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on February 07, 2011, 03:20:48 PM
I didn't understand it! Haha and I think we also couldn't use the microwave at the same time as the phone or computer for some reason....  :-\ :D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 07, 2011, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 07, 2011, 03:20:48 PM
I didn't understand it! Haha and I think we also couldn't use the microwave at the same time as the phone or computer for some reason....  :-\ :D

Wonder why?  ??? ::)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on February 07, 2011, 04:41:18 PM
Also, in the 80s the Internet was a much smaller and friendlier place. Most people on the net were all computer geeks so they all had something in common and helped each other out.

Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 07, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
LOL I remember when I was really little, that I wasn't allowed to use the phone when my parents were on the computer! :D

I remember that, too. That's the way it still is for many people who still. have dial-up.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 07, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on February 07, 2011, 04:41:18 PM
Also, in the 80s the Internet was a much smaller and friendlier place. Most people on the net were all computer geeks so they all had something in common and helped each other out.

Really? ???
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on February 07, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
Well, it's not hard to believe considering the internet wasn't very user-friendly and not easy for the average person to use or even access.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 07, 2011, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on February 07, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
Well, it's not hard to believe considering the internet wasn't very user-friendly and not easy for the average person to use or even access.

It wasn't? ??? I live for it today! :)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 07, 2011, 11:28:24 PM
Yeah- back in the BBS days in the '80s, you just about had to have a computer science degree to access it and use it effectively.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 07, 2011, 11:28:24 PM
Yeah- back in the BBS days in the '80s, you just about had to have a computer science degree to access it and use it effectively.

What's the BBS days? I was reading the Hardy Boys Digest 102. Terminal Shock and it mentions using the BBS -- a lot.  ??? Is that what you're talking about?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Yep.
This might help explain. http://www.powershow.com/view/af45-NWMyN/A_Brief_History_of_Bulletin_Board_Systems_BBS
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Yep.
This might help explain. http://www.powershow.com/view/af45-NWMyN/A_Brief_History_of_Bulletin_Board_Systems_BBS

Wow. What a lot to take in! Sure is different from today, isn't it?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on February 08, 2011, 05:34:44 PM
Yes, things change. It's amazing. I was one a foot tall and now I'm six feet tall!
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
Hey- so does Canada not use the metric system then?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
Hey- so does Canada not use the metric system then?

Yeah. I've been wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on February 08, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
We use the metric system, but we still use/know imperial too. I don't think we're just going to be like "I'm a metre and a half tall".

BTW, I'm a child of the '80's (23 years old).

I vaguely remember my dad's first computer in the early '90's. It took 8 minutes just to turn on and boot up! I also remember discovering the Internet for the first time in...grade 3? And I saw the adjustment from cassettes to CDs to MP3s, etc.

P.S. Ah yes, MacGyver. The Zack Morris phone.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: Olivia on February 08, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
We use the metric system, but we still use/know imperial too. I don't think we're just going to be like "I'm a metre and a half tall".

BTW, I'm a child of the '80's (23 years old).

I vaguely remember my dad's first computer in the early '90's. It took 8 minutes just to turn on and boot up! I also remember discovering the Internet for the first time in...grade 3? And I saw the adjustment from cassettes to CDs to MP3s, etc.

P.S. Ah yes, MacGyver. The Zack Morris phone.

I didn't. Wonder why? ???
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on February 08, 2011, 06:36:00 PM
You didn't...what? You mean you don't remember a computer when you were young?

I was like five or six.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: Olivia on February 08, 2011, 06:36:00 PM
You didn't...what? You mean you don't remember a computer when you were young?

I was like five or six.

Not very well, no. You remember dial-up internet? I sure don't.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on February 08, 2011, 06:46:28 PM
Yup. I learned to use it when I was in grade 4 (ish). But then my dad always had a computer in the house, and my schools were teaching computers (though not Internet).
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: Olivia on February 08, 2011, 06:46:28 PM
Yup. I learned to use it when I was in grade 4 (ish). But then my dad always had a computer in the house, and my schools were teaching computers (though not Internet).

Cool! :)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 08:19:33 PM
Okay, I'm like facepalming on some of this because I'm a slight bit older than Olivia- but also a child of the '80s. Hahaha- it's all good though. It's just funny how you can remember being a kid and gasping at how your parents had to get up and cross the room to change the channel on the TV and all these kind of typical "back in my day" type scenarios- and then you realize that you're seeing the same thing with younger kids gasping at how you used to have to dial up to get on the Internet and everything. And let's not even talk about floppy disks back when they actually were floppy! ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 08:19:33 PM
Okay, I'm like facepalming on some of this because I'm a slight bit older than Olivia- but also a child of the '80s. Hahaha- it's all good though. It's just funny how you can remember being a kid and gasping at how your parents had to get up and cross the room to change the channel on the TV and all these kind of typical "back in my day" type scenarios- and then you realize that you're seeing the same thing with younger kids gasping at how you used to have to dial up to get on the Internet and everything. And let's not even talk about floppy disks back when they actually were floppy! ;D

Floppy Disks were actually floppy? :o
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 08:31:31 PM
See? I knew that was just opening a can of worms. ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 08:31:31 PM
See? I knew that was just opening a can of worms. ;D

What were they?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 08:53:58 PM
There's a picture right here. http://www.floppydisks.com/ (http://www.floppydisks.com/)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 08:53:58 PM
There's a picture right here. http://www.floppydisks.com/ (http://www.floppydisks.com/)

Wow and they're still around? :o   
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 11:29:26 PM
Yeah- they are not much in use anymore- but you can still use floppy disks for file storage. I still have many 3 1/2 inch disks around. The 5 3/4 inch ones fell out of use somewhere in the early '90s - but I do still have a Ninja Gaiden PC video game that came with both a 3 1/2 inch and 5 3/4 inch floppy disk for installation. Copyright 1990 - awesome! :)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: SDLagent on February 09, 2011, 12:26:01 AM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 08, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
Hey- so does Canada not use the metric system then?

We do but my parents learned the imperial system so it rubs off on you.

Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 08, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Not very well, no. You remember dial-up internet? I sure don't.

I remember dail-up and I'm not even 18.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 09, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: SDLagent on February 09, 2011, 12:26:01 AM
We do but my parents learned the imperial system so it rubs off on you.

I remember dial-up and I'm not even 18.

Now that you mention it, I do sort of remember having it.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: AlwaysAJoefan on February 09, 2011, 12:22:57 PM
I have dial-up.  ::)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on February 09, 2011, 12:26:01 AM
I remember dail-up and I'm not even 18.

I do too, and I'm not even 15. :o
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 09, 2011, 12:22:57 PM
I have dial-up.  ::)

How can you be on here? ???

Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 09, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
I do too, and I'm not even 15. :o

I'm so glad that most of us don't have to use it anymore! ;D The sound of it dialing in creeps me out! :o Think of the phone bills our family would be getting! :o I wouldn't be able to spend hours on here that's for sure. And using YouTube? Forget it! ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: AlwaysAJoefan on February 13, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
How can you be on here? ???

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 13, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
What do you mean?

You said you have dial up. I guess I thought it might tie-up your phone line.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: AlwaysAJoefan on February 13, 2011, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 03:38:43 PM
You said you have dial up. I guess I thought it might tie-up your phone line.

It does. But the phone doesn't really matter to me or my parents.  ::)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 13, 2011, 03:42:59 PM
It does. But the phone doesn't really matter to me or my parents.  ::)

I know mine would be a more concerned--if we still had dial up, that is. Can you not get anything faster?
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: AlwaysAJoefan on February 13, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 03:45:37 PM
I know mine would be a more concerned--if we still had dial up, that is. Can you not get anything faster?

We could, but my dad doesn't want to spend the money. We sort of live out in the country, so it's harder to get high-speed. It's just waiting for my dad to get tired of not getting to see the news.  ;) ::)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: AlwaysAJoefan on February 13, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
We could, but my dad doesn't want to spend the money. We sort of live out in the country, so it's harder to get high-speed. It's just waiting for my dad to get tired of not getting to see the news.  ;) ::)

Ah, yeah. Being out in the country I can see your point. I'm glad to live where we can have high-speed--if you can call 7mb/s high speed, that is. ;D 8)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 13, 2011, 05:25:48 PM
We're pretty good at getting off topic here, aren't we? ::) :) 8)
I JUST MADE MY 300th POST!
(Sorry. I'm just excited.
) ;D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on February 15, 2011, 12:33:08 AM
Well, congratulations Hardy Boys UB Fan! :) 8)

And to AlwaysAJoeFan- awesome signature! John 14:6 is one of my favorite Bible verses because it states so clearly that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. :) Amen.
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 15, 2011, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 15, 2011, 12:33:08 AM
Well, congratulations Hardy Boys UB Fan! :) 8)

Thank you. ;)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: AlwaysAJoefan on February 15, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on February 15, 2011, 12:33:08 AM
And to AlwaysAJoeFan- awesome signature! John 14:6 is one of my favorite Bible verses because it states so clearly that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. :) Amen.

Thanks. I had just read it in my daily devotion and I though it might make a good sig.  ;)
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: trixz15 on November 13, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
i guess both are nyc....buh i like frank better cuz he gets gurl,iz da responsiblw one and but he couldnt make it fun if joe wasnt there!!
just lyk in top ten ways to die....playback and frank:joe loves vee-sharp :P :D
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: MacGyver on November 13, 2011, 07:06:20 PM
Both are New York City?
I assume "lyk" is "Like, you know", but I'm still wondering about this other phrase...
Title: Re: Frank and Joe Hardy
Post by: Olivia on November 16, 2011, 11:12:03 AM
I don't remember what that vee-sharp thing is. Though I don't remember a lot of the UBs - just the ones that were either really bad, or the occasional good one. If we had the book, I guess we could better distinguish.