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Chapters.ca (http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/Hardy-Boys-New-Case-Files-Gerry-Conway-Paulo-Henrique/9781597072199-item.html?ref=Search+Books%3a+%2527Hardy+Boys%2527) and Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1597072192?ie=UTF8&tag=hardboyscasee-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1597072192) both list a new Hardy Boys Graphic Novel series available in October 2010.
The title is listed as The Hardy Boys The New Casefiles #1: Crawling With Zombies, however, the cover image still shows the words "Undercover Brothers".
The author is listed as Gerry Conway and not Scott Lobdell, while the artist is still Paulo Henrique.
No official word from Papercutz yet.
Wow. This is very unexpected. I wonder if Lobdell's leaving the current series, and Papercutz is going to relaunch it when the new writer comes on, or if this series will run along side the Lobdell series.
The name is very interesting, too. How will it be connected to the Casefiles, I wonder?
Not too excited about zombies lol but very excited about New Case Files!!
Hmm- very interesting. Sounds cool. I wonder though if the book is just using the "Casefiles" to name to distinguish it from the current ongoing series with Lobdell. I wonder how much connection, if any, this will have The Hardy Boys Casefiles book series.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 19, 2010, 10:01:23 AM
Hmm- very interesting. Sounds cool. I wonder though if the book is just using the "Casefiles" to name to distinguish it from the current ongoing series with Lobdell. I wonder how much connection, if any, this will have The Hardy Boys Casefiles book series.
Same here. Sadly, I don't think there will be much of a connection to the
Casefiles series. I hope so, though.
YES! Finally something new with the Casefiles name on it! Hopefully, it's related to the casefiles.
I hate double posting but I found something very interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/Nancy-Drew-New-Case-Files/dp/1597072133/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266677818&sr=1-2
The price on this series appears to be a dollar cheaper as well. I wonder what that is going to mean. Shorter novels perhaps?
Nancy Drew and Vampires?????
Quote from: Fenlaur on February 20, 2010, 12:14:44 PM
Nancy Drew and Vampires?????
Hey, apparently everything and everyone has to jump on the Twilight bandwagon!! :-\
Quote from: SkyWarp on February 20, 2010, 10:03:57 AM
The price on this series appears to be a dollar cheaper as well. I wonder what that is going to mean. Shorter novels perhaps?
The page count is listed as 62. Titles in the current series are listed with 92 pages, I think.
Quote from: Dinosaur Dan on February 20, 2010, 08:58:56 AM
I hate double posting but I found something very interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/Nancy-Drew-New-Case-Files/dp/1597072133/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266677818&sr=1-2
Nice find. I notice Stefan Petrucha (the current
Nancy Drew Graphic Novel series) is the writer. Also, I thought that just the first title of the new
Hardy Boys series was supernatural-themed. Since it was set for an October release and would be in stores just in time for Halloween, this made sense. Now, I'm thinking differently...a whole series of supernatural stories? I don't know.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 20, 2010, 10:56:39 PMAlso, I thought that just the first title of the new Hardy Boys series was supernatural-themed. Since it was set for an October release and would be in stores just in time for Halloween, this made sense. Now, I'm thinking differently...a whole series of supernatural stories? I don't know.
I thought the same thing, but does the HB one say Part 1 like the ND one? I didn't see it. Perhaps they are having the ND come out in September as part 1 so that they could uncharacteristically have part 1 the very next month?
I wonder if the release schedule will happen more often if they go for a shorter page count?
Well, it would be something different. And I notice that both The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew maintain the name of their current book series (Undercover Brothers and Girl Detective, respectively)- but both graphic novels have "The New Casefiles" name. That's fitting for The Hardy Boys if referring to the book series, but in Nancy Drew's case, her previous book series was The Nancy Drew Files. A series of supernatural-themed mysteries could be cool, if that's what they're going for. It could just also be that since they're starting this series in the fall, they're starting off with a Halloween adventure for the first round out.
Though if the whole series were supernatural-themed, that would be interesting. That's generally been something that both Nancy and The Hardys have dealt with to some degree in the past stories (the Ghost Stories, notwithstanding of course)- but typically there's always some sort of a logical explanation. I wonder if these would delve into having the detectives come across supernatural things that can't be explained and are just accepted as being real. Of course, that would take them into a much different realm if they went this route. It'd be kind of like how Scooby-Doo has always had mysteries where the monsters are always somebody in a mask- then later series (i.e. The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo) and movies (i.e. Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island, Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost and Scooby-Doo and the Alien Invaders) started breaking from this tradition with having the gang encounter real supernatural phenomena. (And as an aside- there's yet another Scooby-Doo cartoon series starting sometime this year called "Scooby-Doo- Mystery, Inc." which may also be going this route. Sounds interesting from what I've read of it.)
So anyway, I'll be interested to see how Papercutz moves forward with these series for The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew this fall.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on February 20, 2010, 09:45:15 PM
Hey, apparently everything and everyone has to jump on the Twilight bandwagon!! :-\
More like jump on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer bandwagon.
Quote from: Dinosaur Dan on February 21, 2010, 06:03:55 PM
More like jump on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer bandwagon.
Hopefully they don't stay there for too long.
I'm not at all into the whole vampire thing and that was what really surprised me about this Nancy Drew title (but the Hardy Boys book looks cool).
I'm for it. Vampires don't get killed enough these days.
As long as Nancy isn't dating the vampire. ;D
Maybe Ned turns out to be a vampire.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 23, 2010, 10:52:12 PM
Maybe Ned turns out to be a vampire.
LOL Now THAT I would read. :)
This definitely came as a surprise!
Sorry, havent been on in a wile but had to come when I saw this. New CF GNs sounds exciteing. But that will also mean that that we may get an awesome seris fanially to the UB GNs. Aren't the Noirs on the cover to the last UB GN? Plus the writers aren't tied down to a current book seris, so they can do what they want.
Yeah, we talked about this in another thread. Deadly Strategy looks like it would make a pretty good finale.
Nice to see a post from the Boy Wonder!
Lol Boy Wonder. :)
What? You don't think he's a Boy Wonder?
Quote from: SDLagent on March 07, 2010, 12:21:40 AM
What? You don't think he's a Boy Wonder?
No that's not it. I always had a thing for Robin (especially Chris O'Donnell in Batman Forever). So it makes me giggle I suppose when he is called Boy Wonder. Plus it always seems to be said in a teasing way like it's a bad thing?!
Now that I see his "personal message" (or whatever the heck that's called), I guess he prefers Teen Wonder. Sorry about that, my boy!
That's right- it's the difference between Damian Wayne and Tim Drake. ;)
I don't know about you guys, but just the thought that we might be getting another glimpse at the casefiles versus these crud-filled, mud-heaping, plot-lacking bile-inducing "stories" that are the UBs makes me tingle with excitement.
Quote from: Hardy Man on March 14, 2010, 03:26:56 PM
I don't know about you guys, but just the thought that we might be getting another glimpse at the casefiles versus these crud-filled, mud-heaping, plot-lacking bile-inducing "stories" that are the UBs makes me tingle with excitement.
You also forgot to mention "one-person-only-gangs" of books.
Let's hope they don't disappoint! :)
I'm almost 100% sure these stories will be take place in the Undercover Brother continuity. Maybe (and hopefully) a ATAC-less one, though.
Too bad there isn't more info out there to appease us until October.
The plot summary has been reveled on Amazon.com!
QuoteFrank and Joe go undercover as the Living Dead to infiltrate a "Zombie Crawl" that has acquired a notorious reputation ? a teenager in zombie makeup appears to "accidentally" die in the last Zombie Crawl through Bayport. Will the Undercover Brothers and Agents of A.T.A.C. discover what's really going on in Zombieland or become the next accidental victims? As if this weren't enough ? there's something dark and sinister happening while everyone's distracted by zombie madness! Could this possibly be linked to the eerie events also occurring in River Heights, home of Nancy Drew? This story sets up one of the most unexpected events in Hardy Boys history ? but that's the shocking story that awaits in THE HARDY BOYS: THE NEW CASE FILES Graphic Novel #2!
So, like I suspected, the events of this series will take place in the Undercover Brothers continuity. Despite this, it sounds like writer change wont be the only difference between this series and the
Graphic Novel series. For one thing, it sounds like this series will be in something like a mini series format, and, for another, it sounds like this series will take place in more of a shared universe with Nancy Drew, and, no doubt, will lead to a crossover series.
Also, I'm wondering what "one of the most unexpected events in Hardy Boys history" is going to be. Could be big, or, could be just marketing. Most plot summaries do tend to say that this story is our heroes most exciting adventure, yet, or something along those lines.
I wonder if this is a stand-alone mini-series or if this is taking the place of the current series.
Same here. Here's the plot for the Nancy Drew title:
QuoteVampire-mania has gripped River Heights, with teenage girls going wild over the new ?DieLite? novels and movies. But what happens when a supposedly ?real? handsome young vampire arrives on the scene? Will Nancy expose him as a fraud -- or fall under his dark spell? As if that wasn't enough -- there's something dark and sinister happening while everyone's distracted by the vampire madness. Could this possibly be linked to what's happening in Bayport, home of the Hardy Boys? Spoiler warning: there are no vampires, blood or gore in this graphic novel.
Interesting! Found this on Amazon...
Frank and Joe go undercover as the Living Dead to infiltrate a ?Zombie Crawl? that has acquired a notorious reputation ? a teenager in zombie makeup appears to ?accidentally? die in the last Zombie Crawl through Bayport. Will the Undercover Brothers and Agents of A.T.A.C. discover what?s really going on in Zombieland or become the next accidental victims? As if this weren?t enough ? there?s something dark and sinister happening while everyone?s distracted by zombie madness! Could this possibly be linked to the eerie events also occurring in River Heights, home of Nancy Drew? This story sets up one of the most unexpected events in Hardy Boys history ? but that?s the shocking story that awaits in THE HARDY BOYS: THE NEW CASE FILES Graphic Novel #2!
OOPS! Should have read more of the posts before! Sorry!!
How do you feel about the ATAC being a part of this New Case Files? And it is interesting that they are already crossing over with Nancy Drew...
Quote from: hardygirl847 on March 22, 2010, 09:42:45 PM
And it is interesting that they are already crossing over with Nancy Drew...
Yes, it is. And it's also interesting how they're doing it - having each series mention the other, rather then have a crossover series. Anyway,I've been hoping for a Nancy Drew/Hardy Boys graphic novel crossover for awhile.
Well, certainly sounds pretty interesting- they're obviously playing up the current "Twilight" interest and that's cool- it will be nice to have The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew meet up on the comics page- that will be a first, I do believe. :) 8)
I just hope they do it right and it lives up to our expectations.... :)
Quote from: SDLagent on March 23, 2010, 01:04:56 AM
Yes, it is. And it's also interesting how they're doing it - having each series mention the other, rather then have a crossover series. Anyway,I've been hoping for a Nancy Drew/Hardy Boys graphic novel crossover for awhile.
Maybe Papercutz will do a story-arc across 3 or 4 books and then print a book where the Hardys and Nancy team up to bring the arc to a conclusion.
Of course, if it is a story arc, then hopefully Papercutz will have the criminal goings on connected to each other and not just be like the way the trilogies have been going where each book has one criminal who is not even connected to the other two criminals aside from being in the same area.
Of course, hopefully ATAC will be less controlling of the boys in this new series and ATAC will become similar to the Network in which the Hardy's co-operated with the Network agents, and occassionally called on the Network for information.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on March 24, 2010, 04:18:40 PM
Maybe Papercutz will do a story-arc across 3 or 4 books and then print a book where the Hardys and Nancy team up to bring the arc to a conclusion.
Of course, if it is a story arc, then hopefully Papercutz will have the criminal goings on connected to each other and not just be like the way the trilogies have been going where each book has one criminal who is not even connected to the other two criminals aside from being in the same area.
That's pretty much what I was thinking; have two storylines that run along side each other for a few titles, and for the climax both storylines come together in the concluding title.
Quote from: tomswift2002 on March 24, 2010, 04:18:40 PMOf course, hopefully ATAC will be less controlling of the boys in this new series and ATAC will become similar to the Network in which the Hardy's co-operated with the Network agents, and occassionally called on the Network for information.
I doubt the Hardys' relationship with ATAC will change, unless Conway handles it differently then Lobdell. But considering Lobdell is a fan of non-ATAC stories and even he only managed a few non-ATAC stories, it doesn't seem likely.
How long do we have to wait again to find out????
Til October you say??
UGH! Frustrating!
I hope I don't outcast myself for saying this but....I hope Nancy stays out of it. She can be mentioned or whatever but I'm not rooting for a crossover story arc or trilogy of her and the Hardys.
Sorry....
I will run away now!!!
Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course. But for me, I like Nancy Drew just as well as The Hardy Boys (though I definitely read more of the Hardys) and I'd love to see them meet up in the pages of the graphic novels (especially since it would be unprecedented.) 8)
I don't know if it would be an ongoing appearance- I don't think that would probably happen- but I would like to see a crossover with Nancy Drew at some point. That would be great.
OK as long as she's only in there for a little while...I will allow it. LOL :)
I don't hate Nancy or anything...and I really don't know why I don't like her. I always thought Carolyn Keene was a different person who wrote this female competitor of the Hardys. In actuality, Carolyn Keene is a pen name for many writers and even was started with the Hardys! I did not do my homework 14 years ago when I fell in love with the Hardys. However, since then...I still have had a dislike of her taking time away from my boys or flirting with Frank.
Irrational? Yes. :)
Personally, I've been wanting to see a Nancy Drew/The Hardy Boys graphic novel crossover for a long time.
QuoteHowever, since then...I still have had a dislike of her taking time away from my boys or flirting with Frank.
For this part, I generally don't think of Nancy Drew and Frank Hardy really ever being together or anything. I know they messed around with the romantic possibilities in the '70s show and in the Supermysteries, but even within the Supermysteries both affirmed their loves for their significant others. Nancy loves Ned and Frank loves Callie. That's the canon standard as far as I'm concerned and I doubt that would ever really change. (Though I know Nancy broke it off with Ned in the "Nancy Drew on Campus" series. But it's still the status quo for the Originals and Digests and I assume it's still true in the Girl Detective and Undercover Brothers series.)
But at the same time, I don't mind the Nancy/Frank thing either- it's fun on the show, but I don't think they make a huge deal of it necessarily. In any case, it's fun watching the Nancy/Frank videos I've seen on Youtube- particularly the ones set to the music of Relient K! (Awesome- one of my favorite Christian rock bands! :D I'll post the links later maybe- but I love the video set to "Must Have Done Something Right" by RK and there's another one set to "Can't Fight This Feeling" by REO Speedwagon- that's just perfect!)
And as to the pseudonymsn, Carolyn Keene, Franklin W. Dixon and Victor Appleton are all pseduonyms used by Edward Stratemeyer for his various series. The Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and Tom Swift are all his creations- so it's nice to see them all intermingle from time to time. Of course, he also started a number of other series- and maybe we'll see some of them show up in that "Deadly Strategy" issue that looks to be so hugely awesomely cool and all. 8)
No they don't really get into too much. And strangely I liked Pamela Sue Martin and Parker together. I thought it was cute. WHY? I don't know. It confuses me too. Though, I will admit that I didn't watch the Nancy only episodes. Hmm! Maybe it doesn't bother me as much because I know they never actually get together....? Oh well...who cares.
I guess my dislike stems from a lot of things but is certainly fueled by fan fiction. I read too much of it! lol There is a large group of Nancy/Frank people and they take it to the maximum where the canons never did. So perhaps my complaint lies with them and not the original authors. :)
I am loyal to a fault and therefore want Frank and Joe to have all the attention on them. I suppose I don't really mind Tom Swift or Nancy time to time but no one should take away the spotlight too long on my beloved Hardys.
Silly, I know. :)
This is interesting. I typically read fan fiction for TV shows or possibly movies and other media that have a dearth of stories left for me to uncover- or for where there are some really cool crossover possibilities or sometimes where it's just a really cool concept to do with the show. I haven't read much in the way of fanfiction for The Hardy Boys- I guess because I haven't really taken the time to track it down- and there's such a preponderance of actual stories from the official series that I am busy enough just reading those.
(But fanfiction is great for super short-lived TV shows like Automan, Manimal, Street Hawk, etc. and some of my other favorites from various time periods. It's always fun reading cool Quantum Leap crossovers with other shows because the means for doing so in already so readily available within the QL universe. :))
Quote from: MacGyver on April 05, 2010, 11:37:38 PM
This is interesting. I typically read fan fiction for TV shows or possibly movies and other media that have a dearth of stories left for me to uncover- or for where there are some really cool crossover possibilities or sometimes where it's just a really cool concept to do with the show. I haven't read much in the way of fanfiction for The Hardy Boys- I guess because I haven't really taken the time to track it down- and there's such a preponderance of actual stories from the official series that I am busy enough just reading those.
This is pretty much how I feel about
Hardy Boys fan fiction. I've enjoyed the few I've read, though.
Quote from: MacGyver on March 31, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
I'd love to see them meet up in the pages of the graphic novels (especially since it would be unprecedented.) 8)
I don't know if it would be an ongoing appearance- I don't think that would probably happen- but I would like to see a crossover with Nancy Drew at some point. That would be great.
These new stories definitely have me intrigued! I like how they are doing the parallel story arcs, but question the feasibility of an actual crossover. Would the artists for the respective series work together on that volume? I'm not sure how well their styles would mesh.
Quote from: mystrygirl87 on May 15, 2010, 04:01:15 PM
These new stories definitely have me intrigued! I like how they are doing the parallel story arcs, but question the feasibility of an actual crossover. Would the artists for the respective series work together on that volume? I'm not sure how well their styles would mesh.
I wonder, too. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess...
icv2.com (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17727.html) reports that the books in these new series will have a larger page format than the current ones. 6" x 9" compared to 5" x 7". That explains the reduced page count...
Quote from: Papercutz.comIn an all-new harder edged series and new format featuring legendary writer Gerry Conway! Frank and Joe go undercover as the Living Dead to infiltrate a ?Zombie Crawl? that has acquired a notorious reputation for potentially deadly accidents. Will the Undercover Brothers and Agents of A.T.A.C. become the next victims? As if this weren't enough ? there's something dark and sinister happening while everyone's distracted by zombie madness! Could this be linked to the eerie events also occurring in River Heights, home of Nancy Drew?
Ooo, that got my ears perked!
I just ordered my copy yesterday!
Yeah, I ordered mine, along with Break-Up, a few weeks ago.
Borders.com has a special right now...Buy 1, get the second half off. I was going through their list for HBs...and The Zombie one says BACKORDERED!! I hope that doesn't mean I won't my book for 4-8 wks! But on the other hand, YAY for high demand. Although, they also could have been low on supply...
Either way, I am going to try and avoid spoilers. Anyone get their copy yet?
Sorry for the double post....
Has anyone actually received their copy? I ordered mine on Sunday but found out it is on backorder. I went to Amazon.com to see if they were in stock or not...and it says it's not being released until Oct. 26!!
Enjoy a little sneak peek while we wait...http://www.amazon.com/Hardy-Boys-New-Case-Files/dp/1597072192/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1287004975&sr=8-1-spell (http://www.amazon.com/Hardy-Boys-New-Case-Files/dp/1597072192/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1287004975&sr=8-1-spell)
Looks like ATAC still exists.
I wasn't expecting ATAC to be gone from this new series, but book two's a status quo changer...does it also mean changes for ATAC?
On the copyright page there's a ATAC logo (cool idea?). That's a first. And apparently A.T.A.C. stands for American Teenagers Against Crime. That's a first, too, and a mistake, I do believe.
Spencer, did you get yours?
And I didn't think ATAC would be gone either ...but I think a few people were hoping they would be. As for the differences...hmm I wonder if they used this new Case files series to revamp ATAC...therefore changing it a little??
I wish I actually HAD the book to read it and know more...but sadly it's either on backorder or not coming out until Oct. 26th! >:( :'(
No, I didn't get my copy, yet.
And I think Frank and Joe's ''break-up'' might have something to do with ATAC. I could be wrong, though.
That would be interesting if they used that storyline to leave the ATAC...or maybe Frank wants to stay but Joe doesn't. Hmm....
Or maybe Frank and Callie break up and Joe steals his girl- lol
LOL They better not do that!!! HBs are not known for the overly romantic overtones or anything...so I hope it stays that way. Girlfriends or not...the books are full of adventure, fun, mystery, humor, and danger. Betrayal with girlfriends just seems too soap opera-ish or teen drama. I have a feeling you were just joking though.... :)
I was joking- and I hope that wouldn't seriously be a plotline- but if it was, it could be a side-plotline perhaps.
Good, that you were joking!! :) But yeah I guess it could be a sideline. Sounds more like a fanfic to me though than an original. Even in fanfic, I am not happy with Joe/Callie pairing. It just seems wrong and hurts Joe's character. But then again, it could be interesting. Maybe not for Break up, but for a story where Frank is gone for some time allowing Callie and Joe to have some time to fall in love. Maybe...still not sure I'd be all for that. Btw, when I read HBs as a kid, I always read Callie as "Collie" LOL I found out after reading A LOT of books that it was a long a sound...OOPS. Just a little side note.
(totally off subject, MacGyver...did you see MacGruber?)
I have not seen MacGruber and do not intend to. For one, I generally avoid R-rated movies in anycase (with very few exceptions- "The Passion of the Christ" being one.) And while I enjoyed some of the MacGruber sketches on Saturday Night Live (and it was funny seeing Richard Dean Anderson back in it as MacGyver)- in general the movie was a travesty and I can't say I care much for it. I was looking forward to that movie about as much as you've been looking forward to The Hardy Men movie.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on October 18, 2010, 01:47:54 PM
Good, that you were joking!! :) But yeah I guess it could be a sideline. Sounds more like a fanfic to me though than an original. Even in fanfic, I am not happy with Joe/Callie pairing. It just seems wrong and hurts Joe's character. But then again, it could be interesting. Maybe not for Break up, but for a story where Frank is gone for some time allowing Callie and Joe to have some time to fall in love. Maybe...still not sure I'd be all for that. Btw, when I read HBs as a kid, I always read Callie as "Collie" LOL I found out after reading A LOT of books that it was a long a sound...OOPS. Just a little side note.
I don't know. Joe and Callie seemed to be all over each other on some of the Casefiles covers.
Nightmare in Angel City and Flesh and Blood are coming to mind.
Ok first...MacGyver, don't waste your time on watching MacGruber. You would be very upset...I can see how you would feel the same as I feel about Hardy Men. You're not missing anything but being mad..lol
In Nightmare in Angel City, they were running for their lives. Sure, Joe is going to help out his brother's girlfriend get to safety! :P
For those who don't know it offhand... (http://ca.pbsstatic.com/l/51/1851/9780671691851.jpg)
For Flesh and Blood, it does look bad... I will admit.
(http://talewright.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/hb_flesh_and_blood.jpg?w=175&h=285)
BUT that doesn't mean I would cheer Callie and Joe on. Frank has loved her since 1927. lol Well...not exactly, but you get what I mean. It's been a LONG time.
I write Callie and Joe being friends....almost brother/sister. So definitely no romance. Humorous and/or awkward situations...yes. :)
BACK TO THE NEW CASEFILES...MY COPY IS ON THE WAY TO THE STORE!! WAHOO! IT SHIPPED TODAY! :)
Sorry for yelling...I'm just SOOOOOOOO excited!
Ha ha- well, I was just kind of kidding- I don't think the writers or artists for that matter seriously tried to depict a relationship with Callie and Joe. Other than very much a sister and brother deal with the way they were typically bickering and teasing each other throughout the series.
I know. :) Romance has never been a huge part. Joe flirts, yes...but they only give romance in small dosages. Iola and Callie are "friends" and "favorite dates" in the bluespines. :)
Quote from: hardygirl847 on October 21, 2010, 01:13:40 AMIola and Callie are "friends" and "favorite dates" in the bluespines. :)
They were lesbian in the bluespines?
Sorry I meant they were friends or favorite dates to Frank and Joe. :P
Quote from: hardygirl847 on October 20, 2010, 04:40:53 PM
(http://ca.pbsstatic.com/l/51/1851/9780671691851.jpg)
Whoa...that is the first time I'm seeing that cover. A lot of stuff packed in there.
Iola and Callie are "favorite dates" lol. But we don't really get much of them together though, right? Especially since Iola's gone from the Casefiles.
There's a number of the Digests where both Iola and Callie show up. Typhoon Island (#180 in The Hardy Boys Digests) is a great example of a later title that features both of them. #126 in The Hardy Boys Casefiles, Fire in the Sky kinda reminds me some of this one as it's sort of a similar scene, with Vanessa Bender standing in for Iola Morton's role.
Gotcha. It would be the Digests.
Quote from: Olivia on October 25, 2010, 06:21:34 PM
Whoa...that is the first time I'm seeing that cover. A lot of stuff packed in there.
Iola and Callie are "favorite dates" lol. But we don't really get much of them together though, right? Especially since Iola's gone from the Casefiles.
Actually, Callie and Iola usually appear together in the original series.
Callie and Iola ALWAYS seem to be together in the Originals. this is probably because they are always accompanying Frank and Joe (who are always together). Iola is absent in Casefiles because she gets blown up (or captured)....so Joe is free to mingle until Vanessa comes along. I honestly think some fan fic paints her better than the actual Casefiles do...but oh well.
Yeah, in the Original series, Callie and Iola probably spend more time together than they do with a Hardy boy. When the boys aren't half way around the world, they're too busy helping dad on a case to take their girlfriends out!
Quote from: SDLagent on October 26, 2010, 03:08:35 PM
Yeah, in the Original series, Callie and Iola probably spend more time together than they do with a Hardy boy. When the boys aren't half way around the world, they're too busy helping dad on a case to take their girlfriends out!
Lol I suppose that is more realistic. They are never around. But in the originals, I don't know if they are ever called Frank and Joe's girlfriends. Girlfriends implies that they are in an exclusive relationship. It seems in the originals they were just their to date now and then...and were friends.
It would be hard being a Hardy Boys girlfriend though...so you have to give them both props. lol
The originals always made it clear that Callie and Iola were Frank and Joe's favorite dates. I'm pretty positive neither one was ever seen flirting with any other girls or going out with anyone else- and there are scenes in the different books where the Hardys go out on dates (see "The Flickering Torch Mystery" for one). And they also fairly often have parties at their house to celebrate the solution of their most recent case and generally the whole gang comes over for that. (Or at least the ones directly involved in the case, which more often than not, means Chet Morton and probably Iola and Callie too.)
Quote from: MacGyver on October 26, 2010, 11:34:00 PM
The originals always made it clear that Callie and Iola were Frank and Joe's favorite dates. I'm pretty positive neither one was ever seen flirting with any other girls or going out with anyone else- and there are scenes in the different books where the Hardys go out on dates (see "The Flickering Torch Mystery" for one). And they also fairly often have parties at their house to celebrate the solution of their most recent case and generally the whole gang comes over for that. (Or at least the ones directly involved in the case, which more often than not, means Chet Morton and probably Iola and Callie too.)
The first time in the Original series I remember Joe showing any interest in someone other than Iola is in
The Witchmakers Key. And, I could be wrong, but in
: The Jungle Pyramid both Frank and Joe have "dates" with different girls.
Okay, I'll have to look at those again to see. It's been quite some years since I last read them. I guess I always got the impression that Iola and Joe and Frank and Callie were both couples as in boyfriend/girlfriend- but maybe they weren't quite "going steady" yet. However, they are favorite dates, as the books state a number of times- so I guess Frank and Joe wouldn't have really been cheating necessarily.
Either I haven't read many Originals or it's been too long, but all I recall is a very brief mention of Iola and Callie once in a while. Like on one page in a story. Like I said though, it's probably for the reasons I stated.
Well, I guess after you read through them all, the constant description of Frank being 18 and 6 foot 1 and his brother Joe an inch and a year younger and Callie and Iola their favorite dates, respectively- it all kinda gets cemented in your mind after a while. At least I guess it did for me. (I'm not saying that such a description is necessarily in every single book- but it seems most of the revised books usually had a bit of a formula- a form statement really- where the basic facts, including the fact their father Fenton Hardy was once a NYC policeman but was now a private detective- is usually stated in the book somewhere, in case someone was reading The Hardy Boys for the first time.)
There's a similar repetitous pattern in the Encyclopedia Brown books for the same reason. (And after reading through them all, you almost get to the point where you can quote it since you've read it so much. Haha). :)
Definitely. But it's obviously a good device for new readers to pick up the series that way.
The most recent, good example of this I can remember is in the Nancy Drew: Girl Detective series. They are able to do it in a way which is brief, but unique each time which is a credit to the writers. I'm a little surprised on how well the writing is for most books in that series (especially later ones - late 20's and up).
By the way, I got my copy of "Crawling with Zombies" today! Now if I can just get a chance to read it!
I was so excited to see that my local Books-A-Million is now carrying The Hardy Boys Graphic Novels again! (Well, the New Casefiles series anyway.) And I grabbed the Nancy Drew New Casefiles #1 title while I was at it.
Yeah- now maybe I won't have to order these all from Amazon anymore (as I had to do for the last few titles).
The next casefiles GN (according to Wikipedia) is called Break-Up! ;D
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on October 29, 2010, 01:02:13 PM
The next casefiles GN (according to Wikipedia) is called Break-Up! ;D
Really?
Apparently they split up :(
Product Description
The World-famous Hardy Boys have been solving mysteries for what feels like forever, but the unthinkable has finally happened ? Frank and Joe decided to no longer work together. Like Lennon and McCartney, Martin and Lewis, Sonny and Cher, all things must pass. Will they continue as agents of A.T.A.C. (American Teens Against Crime) separately? And will Joe and Frank still be effective as solo crime fighters?
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Wow. This surprising news!
LMAO Spencer. And here I thought I was having a deja vu moment!
Almost sounds like they doing a prelude to the Hardy Men movie. But, why is ATAC still in the picture?
I think maybe one of them wants to stick with ATAC and the other one is tired of it..... :-\
They have left that as a teaser for now. Will ATAC be involved at all in the next book? Will they be in it but won't work together? Will they have new partners??
Quote from: Captain Santa Claus on November 04, 2010, 05:48:12 PM
Almost sounds like they doing a prelude to the Hardy Men movie. But, why is ATAC still in the picture?
Why wouldn't ATAC still be in the picture?
If they were going with old school Hardys, then ATAC wouldn't be in the picture...But looks like they will. Frank and Joe might be breaking up momentarily but they will probably still work for ATAC. I really doubt either boy would leave mostly due to Fenton being the head of it, and recruiting them for it.
But he's not the head of ATAC anymore. Q is, I think. But maybe it depends what book you're reading...
Fenton's role in ATAC has been really weird, since it seems that he setup ATAC, and then retired from it as soon as Frank and Joe became ATAC's first members, although he still has a rank in the organization that allows him to go visit their headquarters whenever he thinks something is not right and investigate on the inside.
It sounds like Fenton is still the founder of ATAC and so still has certain privileges, but he's resigned the management and day-to-day working duties to Q. Surely Fenton Hardy is going to maintain some kind of tabs on the operations of the organization that he set up.
Yeah, he's the founder (or one of the co-founders) but he has no official rank within the organization, anymore. That could make a interesting story, actually - someone high-up in ATAC tries to shut Fenton out.
Ok...well I stand corrected. I should have said, since he started it. I would assume the Hardy Boys would have to consider that in their plans to separate or whatever. I could see them completely going off on their own but then they wouldn't have specific missions (unless someone approached them about a case) and no more fancy gadgets.
Also, the idea of Fenton getting shut out would have to involve Frank and Joe somehow. Maybe they would prevent it or find out who is trying to take over, or whatever. I like Fenton and all, but the books are about the boys. So I like their father son moments and that he can kick some butt...but I want Frank and Joe as MUCH as possible. I'm greedy like that. hehe ;D
Just thought I'd let you all know that Nancy Drew Girl Detective: The New Case Files #2 A Vampire's Kiss (wow, that's a long title ;D)
will be released on December 21, 2010. I mention this in this particular thread because you can read a preview of the comic on Amazon.com's website (http://www.amazon.com/Nancy-Drew-New-Case-Files/dp/1597072338/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1290471475&sr=8-3#_)
and this includes the usual note from the editor at the end. And there are quite a few spoilers for both Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys in their upcoming titles! :)
And there's also a preview of The Smurfs #3 The Smurf King- which Papercutz has apparently been reprinting now. (In preparation for the August 3, 2011 CGI movie, no doubt.) The cool thing is that these are reprints of Peyo's original classics! So that makes it a pretty worthwhile collectible for Smurfs fans certainly. How very smurfy! ;D 8)
Dah! Amazon's previews don't work on Opera!
the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew are finnaly crossing over in a GN! Awsome!
Now I'll have to use another browser to see this!
Personally, I don't think you're missing much. I would have to see this in person to make a final judgment. I'm not a fan of the preview via Amazon.
Well, I looked at in Google Chrome and, while I wasn't very interested in the preview of the story, I was very interested in back pages. The third title in the Nancy Drew: The New Case Files is going to be a crossover with the Hardy boys! And, now, I think I know why they're calling these series "The New Case Files" - they like the original Casefiles are game-changers for their characters.
Ah yes, game changers for sure! That's a good phrase. First in the original Casefiles, Iola is killed spiraling many different issues. In this new series, the boys start off on edge and end up breaking up for an unknown amount of time. How is this going to affect their cases, their big case with Nancy Drew, and personal/home life?
SPOILERS follow!
Plus, in both the Nancy Drew Files and now in the Nancy Drew: The New Case Files Nancy breaks-up with Ned.
That could be a bad thing! I don't want her with Frank! Or Joe.
I might be wrong, but I thought they were already kind of playing around with that in the UB Supermysteries anyway.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 12, 2010, 04:07:42 AM
That could be a bad thing! I don't want her with Frank! Or Joe.
Your in the minority, though.
I'd rather not see this happen either.
Minority...yeah I know. A lot of people want that to happen. I don't mind if they flirt with the idea, but HBs are not about romance. Sure there's a little here and there...but it's about action and adventure. Oh yeah...and mystery. :)
Well, keep in kind that the new crossover is taking place in a Nancy Drew title and that series has been known to have a bit more romance than The Hardy Boys proper.
I prefer if they focus on the mystery and action too, but I'm not really against "that" certain pairing.
Maybe everyone should stay single. Belinda, Callie, Vanessa and Ned are all dead weights, anyway. Placeholders. (Half-kidding).
Quote from: Olivia on December 15, 2010, 08:01:10 PMMaybe everyone should stay single. Belinda, Callie, Vanessa and Ned are all dead weights, anyway. Placeholders. (Half-kidding).
Not to mention Iola. And whoever Bess and George's boyfriends our. Fred and Dick?
I'd say "keep it professional" but ND does have more of a romantic vibe than HBs. So...who knows? However, with a short amount of space, huge fight between the brothers, AND a mystery...will they even be able to fit that in?!
Let's hope not.
The other characters are expendable, yes...but sadly they're not even in the newer stories. Keeping them single is fine with me or get them back with their original love interests. They are CLASSIC characters, after all.
Iola is a character I'm not that attached to though. I started with the Casefiles, and she was killed. So...she's not that important to me. Sorry Iola fans! It's nothing against her.
Iola was still around throughout the Digests and of course in the Originals. That was the whole reason that the Casefiles stood apart- it so drastically changed the Hardy Boys' world by having someone close to them die like that. And Joe certainly carried the pain and guilt for it for quite a while. I think it would have a different and bigger impact for someone who grew up with the status quo of Frank with Callie and Joe with Iola throughout the Originals and Digests for 60 years and then have something like Dead on Target rock that world. I guess I can appreciate both aspects of it because I grew up reading the Original 58 books first alongside the Digests and then the Casefiles as well as those started being released.
Yeah, I was just shocked when I heard Iola died in the Casefiles. It actually put me off reading the series for awhile because it was just so unsettling.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 17, 2010, 08:42:30 PM
I'd say "keep it professional" but ND does have more of a romantic vibe than HBs. So...who knows? However, with a short amount of space, huge fight between the brothers, AND a mystery...will they even be able to fit that in?!
Let's hope not.
The other characters are expendable, yes...but sadly they're not even in the newer stories. Keeping them single is fine with me or get them back with their original love interests. They are CLASSIC characters, after all.
Well, the Frank/Nancy romance has been around for over 30 years so it's pretty classic, it's self.
I can definitely see why Iola's death would be unsettling. Having read some of the Originals, Digests, etc....I actually had to get know her for the first time. In a way, it was weird to me as it may be weird NOT to have her in the Casefiles.
I am still a diehard Casefile fan. I LOVE them the most...BUT I have come to love the Originals, Digests, Gns, etc...mainly because my love for Frank and Joe has only grown. :)
Spencer,
Yes, I guess you're right...Frank/Nancy has been around for a long time as well. My favorite ND was Pamela Sue Martin. I was okay with her being with Parker (even though I LOVE HIM)...For some reason though, I can't see Frank with her in the books. I haven't put my finger on why it is though...
I guess we'll find out in less than 3 months if they are going to start that subplot.
To me, it seems like a LOT for one book to introduce though. Maybe along the lines, they will incorporate it. Maybe Joe and Frank are at odds so it forces Frank and Nancy to work together causing them to flirt and start a romance.
Quote from: SDLagent on December 18, 2010, 04:18:23 PM
Well, the Frank/Nancy romance has been around for over 30 years so it's pretty classic, it's self.
Not to mention that Frank and Nancy did kiss in
The Last Resort (if the book had been written for an older adult audience, I think the author might've gone even farther than that).
The ND romance stuff is mostly in the '80's-'90's era, but it seems to be a little more in the stand-alone ND from what I recall (i.e. Files). Of course it's there in the crossovers too.
The latest ND does mention Ned and stuff, but it's more G than PG or PG-13-ish.
The graphic novels are different from Girl Detective and Undercover Brothers (even though some specific elements do transfer over e.g. Bess knowing mechanics, etc.), plus "The New Case Files" are just that, a new series, so we'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 18, 2010, 11:29:07 PM
To me, it seems like a LOT for one book to introduce though. Maybe along the lines, they will incorporate it. Maybe Joe and Frank are at odds so it forces Frank and Nancy to work together causing them to flirt and start a romance.
I'm not sure how they'll fit it in either if they got that route. That's a good guess that it might come a bit later. Maybe it'll just a subtle/small thing here and there, who knows.
BTW, I think we're opposites when it comes to the "girl" situation. If I had to choose pairings, I like Frank/Nancy and Joe/Iola. In this case, it looks like I'm with the unrequited love thing lol. That's okay though 'cause Frank and Joe are the priority anyway, not the other stuff (but I'm glad to hear that you accept PSM & Parker).
I don't know if they'll be too much romance between Nancy and Frank in the first crossover but they might set things up for the next one. And I'm pretty sure they'll be a next one. If With the Hardy Boys is successful.
Quote from: Captain Santa Claus on December 19, 2010, 05:37:24 PM
Not to mention that Frank and Nancy did kiss in The Last Resort (if the book had been written for an older adult audience, I think the author might've gone even farther than that).
I am assuming that Frank wasn't with Callie then? lol I have to read this one now while I'm at my in-laws just to see this part. Sorry...maybe I'm too protective of Frank or just like how it is in the Casefiles too much...but Nancy just doesn't do it for me. :( I can see why they would be attracted to each other, especially Parker and Pamela.
Either way, it's now on my list of reading material.
Quote from: Olivia on December 19, 2010, 05:39:47 PM
The ND romance stuff is mostly in the '80's-'90's era, but it seems to be a little more in the stand-alone ND from what I recall (i.e. Files). Of course it's there in the crossovers too.
The latest ND does mention Ned and stuff, but it's more G than PG or PG-13-ish.
The graphic novels are different from Girl Detective and Undercover Brothers (even though some specific elements do transfer over e.g. Bess knowing mechanics, etc.), plus "The New Case Files" are just that, a new series, so we'll have to wait and see.
I'm not sure how they'll fit it in either if they got that route. That's a good guess that it might come a bit later. Maybe it'll just a subtle/small thing here and there, who knows.
BTW, I think we're opposites when it comes to the "girl" situation. If I had to choose pairings, I like Frank/Nancy and Joe/Iola. In this case, it looks like I'm with the unrequited love thing lol. That's okay though 'cause Frank and Joe are the priority anyway, not the other stuff (but I'm glad to hear that you accept PSM & Parker).
Ok...lots to respond to, lol :) Hopefully I don't forget anything.
I don't read enough ND to know how much romance is in there, so thanks for the insight on that one. I think the majority of both HBs and ND are the mysteries that they solve. Yes, it's fun and cute or even makes them a more well-rounded character to have love interests. However, it is really secondary. I fell in love with Frank and Joe because they are kick ass detectives. I enjoy the adventure, the humor, and the danger. I could care less if they have a girlfriend or not. However, I think it adds to Frank's character that he's a loyal, faithful, dependable type of guy. Joe's girlfriend issue changes more so over time than Frank's mostly due to Iola's death. He is portrayed as more of a ladies' man or flirt but he's totally able to have a long term, committed relationship too.
The biggest instances I can think of where a girlfriend or love interest makes an impact in the story line are when they are used for a hostage, blown up, used to mess with their mental states (
Dead of Night and
Lazarus Plot come to mind), or lead Joe to believe they can be trusted. That sounds like a lot but it's really spread over a LOT of books...so it's really not that much. Plus, from what I've read, it seems that most of these situations occur in the Casefiles than the Originals.
I do agree that we are opposite on the Frank/Nancy thing. That's okay to me because some people love ND or hate Callie. lol So until I see the best writing and situations or whatever to have me want Frank and Nancy together...I'll save him for myself...I MEAN CALLIE. lol
Parker and Pamela were the exception...I don't really know why.
Quote from: SDLagent on December 21, 2010, 01:37:10 AM
I don't know if they'll be too much romance between Nancy and Frank in the first crossover but they might set things up for the next one. And I'm pretty sure they'll be a next one. If With the Hardy Boys is successful.
I don't see a whole lot of romance in this series either because of everything else that is going on, but it could lead up to that eventually. I'm almost positive that they will do another one. At least, I hope the first one goes so well that they have to do one for us, the fans. :)
This series excites me because it's seems to be taking the HBs to a whole new level. That can be a good and/or bad thing though. Someone was already shot and killed in the first one. The second Hbs book has them breaking up. The ND/HB crossover is still unknown but is different in itself (not because they are together, but because of the situation with the brothers, and it's graphic). Who knows what they will do next?
And to me, not knowing is half the fun... :)
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 21, 2010, 04:19:40 PM
I am assuming that Frank wasn't with Callie then? lol I have to read this one now while I'm at my in-laws just to see this part.
I don't read enough ND to know how much romance is in there, so thanks for the insight on that one. I think the majority of both HBs and ND are the mysteries that they solve. Yes, it's fun and cute or even makes them a more well-rounded character to have love interests. However, it is really secondary. I fell in love with Frank and Joe because they are kick ass detectives. I enjoy the adventure, the humor, and the danger. I could care less if they have a girlfriend or not.
The biggest instances I can think of where a girlfriend or love interest makes an impact in the story line are when they are used for a hostage, blown up, used to mess with their mental states (Dead of Night and Lazarus Plot come to mind), or lead Joe to believe they can be trusted.
I do agree that we are opposite on the Frank/Nancy thing. That's okay to me because some people love ND or hate Callie. lol So until I see the best writing and situations or whatever to have me want Frank and Nancy together...I'll save him for myself...I MEAN CALLIE. lol
Parker and Pamela were the exception...I don't really know why.
I don't know if you want to be spoiled or not for
The Last Resort but: they actually were with Ned and Callie at the time. I was surprised. It was an extreme situation, though, so it's semi-justifiable in a fictional world.
You're welcome regarding the insight. It's not like I've read a ton of ND, but I know enough from each series. And totally agree, especially with the bolded part.
I never thought about the love interest impact. Great way of looking at it.
I understand your stance about the Nancy thing. I don't necessarily dislike Callie, and it might be just the ones I've read so far, but she seems "just there" and that's about it (except she had a significant part in #10
Hostages of Hate).
Sometimes there are exceptions. P & P are great.
QuoteNot to mention that Frank and Nancy did kiss in The Last Resort (if the book had been written for an older adult audience, I think the author might've gone even farther than that).
Sorry, but I can't see that. (But I guess that's because if they did, it wouldn't be The Hardy Boys- but I guess that was your point.)
And to hardygirl847, you definitely need to read
The Last Resort.
And regarding Iola and Callie- it's never been a huge thing in the Originals or Digests- it's just been a matter of fact really. Frank and Callie are a couple and Joe and Iola are a couple. Sometimes the girls do play a pretty big role in the books, but not always. In the Casefiles, they had a push for a while for Callie to be a part of the Hardys' detective team and she was tagging along as part of the action for a good bit.
See No Evil is a good example of this. Later on into the series, that thrust wasn't really there so much anymore. I like the status quo of Frank and Callie and Nancy and Ned just fine, but whatever.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 21, 2010, 04:19:40 PM
I am assuming that Frank wasn't with Callie then? lol I have to read this one now while I'm at my in-laws just to see this part. Sorry...maybe I'm too protective of Frank or just like how it is in the Casefiles too much...but Nancy just doesn't do it for me. :( I can see why they would be attracted to each other, especially Parker and Pamela.
No, the
SuperMysteries take place in the Casefiles continuity so Frank
was with Callie. Both Nancy and Frank seemed to like each other but they never started dating because they were both in relationships already.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 21, 2010, 04:19:40 PMThis series excites me because it's seems to be taking the HBs to a whole new level. That can be a good and/or bad thing though. Someone was already shot and killed in the first one. The second Hbs book has them breaking up. The ND/HB crossover is still unknown but is different in itself (not because they are together, but because of the situation with the brothers, and it's graphic). Who knows what they will do next?
And to me, not knowing is half the fun... :)
Same here. I imagine fans felt the same way when the
Casefiles and
SuperMysteries were first coming out in the 80s.
Quote from: SDLagent on December 17, 2010, 02:11:47 AM
And whoever Bess and George's boyfriends our. Fred and Dick?
Forgot to respond to this. I vaguely remember that. The Originals, right?
Okay, I just looked it up (at first glance, could only find stuff on Wikipedia).
It's Dave for Bess (you were close, though). Dick is her cousin.
It's Buck (Ned's friend) for George at first, and then Burt.
Holy cow I have a lot to respond to! :) Okay if I insert quotes this post will be HUGE. So here's the gist...
1. THEY KISSED BUT WERE WITH OTHER PEOPLE?! OMG I DEFINITELY HAVE TO READ THIS ONE PRONTO!
2. I can't see the books taking it farther either. I agree that it wouldn't be Hardy Boyish. I wrote a somewhat heated make out scene in one of my stories between Callie and Frank. I felt that they NEVER or hardly ever get anything like that in the books. Joe is always the one seen kissing or flirting, or so it seems. However, even though I was writing them in my own AU and when they are 20/21...it was still weird and awkward to me. lol
3. Spencer, I'm glad you are excited too. I can imagine how other folks would have been excited for something new too. The yahoo group I am in though seems to be a lot of older people (not all, but some) that are way more into the Originals than anything else. I wonder how they feel about this. Maybe they're not even picking it up. I guess it depends on how much of the Hardys you want to collect, read, or know about.
4. Mac, the funny thing about Callie being in the Casefiles was that I had a love-hate relationship with her. Sometimes I just wanted her to butt out of the situations she was in. Just like the See No Evil you mentioned. But once in awhile it was okay. She seemed to play the role of stubborn girlfriend just as well as a hostage. lol Even though sometimes I wanted her to get her skinny butt out of the story, I would still prefer her to Nancy. :) I will admit to being happy about the lack of her involvement towards the end though.
5. Olivia, thanks for your input and responses. :) Also, thanks for clarifying the boyfriends of Bess and George too. :)
Quote3. Spencer, I'm glad you are excited too. I can imagine how other folks would have been excited for something new too. The yahoo group I am in though seems to be a lot of older people (not all, but some) that are way more into the Originals than anything else. I wonder how they feel about this. Maybe they're not even picking it up. I guess it depends on how much of the Hardys you want to collect, read, or know about.
I'm pretty sure I know the Yahoo group you're talking about. If it's the same one I'm thinking of, I get emails from them sometimes too, but I don't honestly really participate in it. I kind of get the impression that at least some of the members are somewhere in their 50s-60s because they are really hung up on the Originals (and in many cases, the original text Originals)- which is fine and a part of Hardy Boys history of course- and I grew up reading the Revised text Original 58 first anyway (and it's only recently that I've read some of the original text books)- but I find it funny that some people on there were having pretty much the same discussion about The Hardy Boys Casefiles series as many of us were having about The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers series (i.e. both getting looked at with disdain for their departure from the original series).
Quote from: hardygirl847 on December 23, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
5. Olivia, thanks for your input and responses. :) Also, thanks for clarifying the boyfriends of Bess and George too. :)
You're welcome and thanks for your discussion, too :)
Quote from: MacGyver on December 24, 2010, 09:54:29 AM
but I find it funny that some people on there were having pretty much the same discussion about The Hardy Boys Casefiles series as many of us were having about The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers series (i.e. both getting looked at with disdain for their departure from the original series).
Really? Interesting. I get it but at the same time, the Casefiles were just HBs intensified. The UBs, on the other hand, seem to sometimes dumb them down.
And even more drastic changes to characters than the Casefiles.
But I actually LOVE the Casefiles where as the UBs....not so much.
Casefiles might be different but I think they were good for the boys. I'm not sure I can say that about all of the UBs though.
Well, the thing is the Casefiles did change the boys but mostly just to modernize the them. The UB modernized the boys, too, but changed a lot of other stuff that didn't need to be changed.
Quote from: SDLagent on January 05, 2011, 12:36:19 AM
Well, the thing is the Casefiles did change the boys but mostly just to modernize the them. The UB modernized the boys, too, but changed a lot of other stuff that didn't need to be changed.
Well put. Some of the modernization in the UBs give them traits we don't necessarily want to see in our boys. And of course changing a lot of other elements as well.
Oops I forgot where our discussion about The Last Resort was. :) Thanks to Mac, I found it again.
I read it over the holidays and have been meaning to post about it.
OK....
1. The author REALLY made Nancy seem over the top with her feelings for Frank. I realize that in different books it might have been more or less. I honestly don't know for sure because I've only read a few ND/HB SuperMysteries. I just thought it was a little much...ESP since she had Ned.
2. Frank could find Nancy attractive and smart and have things in common, but he didn't have the same reaction or internal dialog as Nancy. Although, sadly Nancy seemed to dominate the pages leaving less room for Frank and Joe's thoughts.
3. The kiss was during a life or death situation. I would probably have felt similarly. I'm just glad the author didn't have them get undressed and use their body heat to keep warm. :o :P
4. I was very glad that both Frank and Nancy decided NOT to do anything about it, keep it a secret, and move on with Callie or Ned. They both said it was a mistake. Therefore, I think the earlier parts with Nancy thinking about Frank were just there to make it more dramatic when they kissed in the cabin. Furthermore, I believe that Callie would have been ticked but understood. Ned saw them hugging and asked Nancy about it. Luckily she was swooning and drooling over Ned, so it was all okay too. I'm sure he would have understood the circumstances as well.
5. The book itself was actually really good. I felt like Frank and Joe got almost enough "screen" time. I would have liked less Nancy but what are ya gonna do...oh well. Just like Nancy's feelings for Frank, Joe's feelings for Roseanne or whatever seemed a bit much for just meeting her. I don't know...sometimes I thought it was just being laid onto a little bit thick...especially for a ND/HB book. ND might have more romance in it, but HB not so much. Fanfic-yes...canon-very little.
6. I would like Chester Peabody to solve all of my problems. :) He was a handy guy to have around.
7. This book just confirmed all of my reasons for NOT skiing. lol
I give it a 3.8/5 or maybe a solid 4. Hmm... :)
Just to address a few things- I really enjoyed
The Last Resort and thought it was handled well. A large part of the drama was the romantic tension that had been slowly building between Nancy and Frank over the course of the books and it kinda hit its crescendo here. But I'm glad Frank and Nancy both addressed it and agreed that it was a mistake - Frank has Callie and Nancy has Ned.
I don't think it was over the top necessarily- but then I think it's hard for much of anything to go over the top for me. ;D (I guess I just like a lot of that kind of stuff.)
QuoteI just thought it was a little much...ESP since she had Ned.
I knew Nancy was a smart detective, but I didn't know she had Extra Sensory Perception! No wonder she solves all those cases so easily! ;)
QuoteI'm just glad the author didn't have them get undressed and use their body heat to keep warm.
That would NEVER happen.
(but don't worry- I know it was just a joke.)
Regarding points 2 and 5 in your post- keep in mind that the book series
Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Supermysteries credits Nancy Drew first in the title- I don't know if that's just a polite "ladies first" thing, but I think it's more than that. Also, the book is authored by Carolyn Keene alone- NOT Carolyn Keene and Franklin W. Dixon (as has been the case with other crossover books previous to this series.) And this is important to remember- the Nancy Drew books are aimed at girls and most feel that this series was largely aimed at girls although I think boys can appreciate it too. But since Nancy Drew was kinda given the lead to some degree, the romance comes on a bit stronger sometimes. But all of the books still have a great mystery and good levels of action and adventure- I don't think that's ever lost along the way. Of course, I like Nancy Drew so I don't have any problem with her being in there a little bit more- I find the whole series very enjoyable- I love reading them! And they're set in the Casefiles/Files universe, so that's cool too.
And honestly, I think
The Hardy Boys Casefiles books (while not nearly as much as
The Nancy Drew Files) had a fair amount of romance mixed in there every now and then. But in both series, the mystery is never lost and the action and adventure is still there in spades.
Now if you try reading some other spinoff series, like say-
River Heights (in which Nancy Drew pretty much makes cameos here and there from what I understand)- there's absolutely no mystery and all romance and drama. And then there's
Nancy Drew on Campus, which still seems to maintain a slight bit of mystery, but I would say it's close to 90% romance/drama and maybe 10% mystery/action/adventure. (This series also had Nancy Drew breaking up with Ned Nickerson after a phone campaign for votes from fans. I have the first book in this series, but I doubt I would ever get the rest of them. I haven't bothered to pick up any copies of the
River Heights books and probably won't. I do like Nancy Drew though and have a small collection of various titles from some of the different series- but I'm primarily a fan of
The Hardy Boys (being male and all ;D) so I mainly just collect those. But overall, they're all pretty good.
Quote from: MacGyver on January 07, 2011, 09:38:34 AM
Now if you try reading some other spinoff series, like say- River Heights (in which Nancy Drew pretty much makes cameos here and there from what I understand)- there's absolutely no mystery and all romance and drama. And then there's Nancy Drew on Campus, which still seems to maintain a slight bit of mystery, but I would say it's close to 90% romance/drama and maybe 10% mystery/action/adventure. (This series also had Nancy Drew breaking up with Ned Nickerson after a phone campaign for votes from fans.
Yeah, I have a few
River Heights and
Nancy Drew on Campus. It's more drama, but from what I've seen and read,
River Heights does high school well and actually makes it interesting, not cliche. I think I have a topic for these somewhere in the ND section.
Mac,
I just thought that a lot of Nancy's thoughts were about Frank. I kept reading it going "really? She's thinking about him AGAIN?" and Frank never really thought about her. Of course it was more from her POV because Carolyn Keene was the author...but still. I'm glad they're not together and I'm REALLY glad they didn't warm each other up with their body heat. LOL Yes, that was definitely a joke before. Glad you got it. :)
I guess I should get Nancy a chance. I have read some crossovers and she's okay in those unless she takes over. However, I'm primarily and MOSTLy a Hardy Boys fan, despite my lack of maleness. lol
I think this book got the Frank/Nancy fans happy that they at least kissed but allowed for them to continue to just be work partners. I think that's a good thing. Give the people what they want but not too much.
Quote from: Olivia on January 11, 2011, 04:32:27 PM
Yeah, I have a few River Heights and Nancy Drew on Campus. It's more drama, but from what I've seen and read, River Heights does high school well and actually makes it interesting, not cliche. I think I have a topic for these somewhere in the ND section.
I have yet to read or see a high school that's not cliche. Interesting.
QuoteI just thought that a lot of Nancy's thoughts were about Frank. I kept reading it going "really? She's thinking about him AGAIN?" and Frank never really thought about her. Of course it was more from her POV because Carolyn Keene was the author...but still.
From a male point of view (and I don't mean this in a crude or lewd way of course), but I can assure you Frank was thinking about Nancy and their relationship too. In fact, the book makes that clear as Frank approaches to Nancy to clear up the matter just as Nancy is coming to tell him the same thing.
But yes, since those books were a bit more aimed at the mostly female fans of Nancy Drew, there may have been more emphasis on Nancy's thoughts than Frank's. It is kinda funny that you being a girl don't seem to be a big fan of Nancy Drew, while I being a boy actually enjoy Nancy Drew's exploits pretty well (though I would also say I'm primarily a fan of The Hardy Boys- but I've read some Nancy Drew and I know she is essentially Frank and Joe's literary sister and literally their sister series, so I kind of have to accept both anyway.)
Of course, that mainly just goes to prove that everyone is different and we can't just assume things because of certain characteristics.
And another thing to keep in mind is that it becomes really hard to balance all the characters, as the authors point out in
Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys: Super Sleuths series. Thus, in order to make sure fans of Nancy and fans of Frank and Joe (and hopefully, fans of both) were all satisfied, there are some stories where Nancy might be the one to contribute the most and others where it's mainly Frank and Joe contributing. But I think they did a pretty good job of balancing those things for the most part throughout the
Nancy Drew and The Hardy Boys Superymystery series.
The funny thing is the only fans I ever seen that actually dislike Nancy Drew are women. Most male fans are indifferent and some like her.
Yeah, I'm starting to notice that too. It's not that I'm a huge fan of Nancy Drew or anything- I'm still primarily a fan of The Hardy Boys first. But I've read some Nancy Drew books and I like her just fine too.
http://www.papercutz.com/hb/hbvideo.html
Papercutz has made a Hardy Boys video.
Nice- thanks for the heads-up.
Quote from: hardygirl847 on January 24, 2011, 04:52:49 PM
I have yet to read or see a high school that's not cliche. Interesting.
Yep. Obviously you can sort of put the characters into categories ("mean girl", "snobby guy") but it has well-rounded characterization and you really understand the perspectives...especially if you read more than one book.
Should I give them a try? :-\
Sure- why not? :D
I like how that video made the scenes from the graphic novels look animated- it got me thinking how cool a new Hardy Boys cartoon could be if done in a similar style. (Well, not with comic book panels being flipped back and forth like a flipbook like they did on the 1960s Spider-Man cartoon of course- lol.)
Your not the only person who thinks that. I wouldn't mind a Hardy Boys cartoon, either.
I'd be totally for that!!
Would be their voices??
Parker Stevenson and Shaun Cassidy, of course. :) 8)
I guess that might work. As long as cartoon Joe doesn't sing.
Don't we want them to sound like teenagers though? :)
And yeah, Joe is not supposed to sing. I agree.
Why not? Joe's sung in the books- He sings a great little tune at the start of Revenge of the Desert Phantom ;D
(But you know, I was kinda kidding about Parker and Shaun- although it would be neat if they had a voice for some characters somewhere. Maybe for Fenton Hardy and Chief Collig or something.)
Or, just to shake things-up, they could voice the villains.
Quote from: SDLagent on January 31, 2011, 10:38:53 PM
I guess that might work. As long as cartoon Joe doesn't sing.
Joe sang in the 60's cartoon.
Well, the singing then isn't really necessarily part of Joe's character in the books- but it would be nice to have one episode of any new Hardy Boys show include a singing performance from Joe just as tribute to Shaun Cassidy on the '70s live action show. :)
Actually, it wouldn't be nice.
Okay, well I would like it anyway. (come on- just for 1 episode.) They would probably wind up investigating a mystery surrounding a rock concert soon enough anyway.
I think a more fitting tribute would be to have one of the boys turn on the radio to one of Cassidy's singles and have Joe mention how he can't stand Cassidy's music.
Haha- that would probably be a more likely scenario anyway I guess. However they do it, it would be nice to acknowledge them.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 03, 2011, 01:26:23 AM
I think a more fitting tribute would be to have one of the boys turn on the radio to one of Cassidy's singles and have Joe mention how he can't stand Cassidy's music.
It's funny because originally, I didn't like the singing on the '77 series. I thought it was distracting and taking away from the show, and I wasn't into it. But, it grew on me.
Parker and Shaun as the villains?? LOVE IT
Quote from: SDLagent on February 03, 2011, 01:26:23 AM
I think a more fitting tribute would be to have one of the boys turn on the radio to one of Cassidy's singles and have Joe mention how he can't stand Cassidy's music.
This I could totally see.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 02, 2011, 10:53:59 AM
Well, the singing then isn't really necessarily part of Joe's character in the books- but it would be nice to have one episode of any new Hardy Boys show include a singing performance from Joe just as tribute to Shaun Cassidy on the '70s live action show. :)
The first part is exactly why I wasn't a huge fan of the singing. It was not for the Hardy Boys but to further Shaun's career as a singer.
Well, Frank and Joe did play the guitar in the 1971 Revision of The Flickering Torch Mystery and were part of a band.
I've kinda wondered if that wasn't inspired by The Hardy Boys cartoon that was airing at the time.
Probably. I'm not against them picking up an instrument for a mission or something but to do several scenarios around Joe singing? It just makes it look like a commercial for Shaun Cassidy. AND it takes away from Frank. However, the episode (I forget which one)...Frank leaves EVERY TIME Joe starts to sing. That cracked me up!!!!
I LOVE THAT EPISODE!!!! Haha, then Joe records it and they still can't listen to it... But it helps him catch the bad guys! ;D
Well, Shaun Cassidy did have a burgeoning singing career at the time. You can't blame him for wanting to promote that- and I'm sure the producers of the show wanted to capitalize on his fame as a singer to draw in even more people to watch the show. So I just accept singing as part of Joe's character on the '70s show and go with it. It's cool with me. Besides, I love the running gag of Frank getting up and leaving every time Joe sings. ;D
Does anyone like the New Casefiles?
Does anyone not like the New Case Files? I think that's the real question.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 08:33:38 PM
Does anyone not like the New Case Files? I think that's the real question.
Are they 100% better then the UB paperbacks?
Well, there's only been one New Case Files so far but almost all of the 20 volumes in the Graphic Novel series were better than the regular UB novels.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 08:42:18 PM
Well, there's only been one New Case Files so far but almost all of the 20 volumes in the Graphic Novel series were better than the regular UB novels.
Is there a difference between the GN's and the New Casefiles?
I haven't noticed a huge difference really- the artwork is still pretty similar, but it looks like it will be changing in the next few issues, especially in regard to Frank's hair. And of course the book itself is bigger in height. And the current storyline is building as an arc and that's different- and the break-up storyline angle is different- so yes, there are some differences. But it still feels similar to the first 20 graphic novels overall.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 16, 2011, 09:50:59 PM
I haven't noticed a huge difference really- the artwork is still pretty similar, but it looks like it will be changing in the next few issues, especially in regard to Frank's hair. And of course the book itself is bigger in height. And the current storyline is building as an arc and that's different- and the break-up storyline angle is different- so yes, there are some differences. But it still feels similar to the first 20 graphic novels overall.
What's wrong with Frank's hair?
It's looking kinda blue in the 3rd. Nancy Drew New Casefiles issue.
Quote from: MacGyver on February 16, 2011, 09:55:18 PM
It's looking kinda blue in the 3rd. Nancy Drew New Casefiles issue.
Well, maybe he dyed it! ::)
It's just that it's a different artist on the Nancy Drew crossover. It's not like the editors decided to make Frank's hair blue for the rest of the series.
Basically, the biggest change is the new format - fewer pages but bigger dimensions. Plus, the storylines will span multiple books and the new series will crossover with the new Nancy Drew series.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 10:59:42 PM
It's just that it's a different artist on the Nancy Drew crossover. It's not like the editors decided to make Frank's hair blue for the rest of the series.
Basically, the biggest change is the new format - fewer pages but bigger dimensions. Plus, the storylines will span multiple books and the new series will crossover with the new Nancy Drew series.
How many crossovers will there be?
Only one so far has been confirmed and that's Nancy Drew The New Case Files #3 Together with the Hardy Boys but I wouldn't be surprised if Nancy appears in the Hardys' series soon.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 11:05:43 PM
Only one so far has been confirmed and that's Nancy Drew The New Case Files #3 Together with the Hardy Boys but I wouldn't be surprised if Nancy appears in the Hardys' series soon.
I hope she does. What's her
New Case files series like? I haven't read it.
I haven't, either. But I have read some of the original Nancy Drew Graphic Novel series and they were really quite good. I actually liked the early ND graphics more than the early HB ones. So, considering the new series has the same writer I'm sure it's pretty good (despite the vampires and Twilight references).
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
I haven't, either. But I have read some of the original Nancy Drew Graphic Novel series and they were really quite good. I actually liked the early ND graphics more than the early HB ones. So, considering the new series has the same writer I'm sure it's pretty good (despite the vampires and Twilight references).
Wonder why they did that? I thought about getting it until I saw the cover . . .
(http://www.papercutz.com/nd/images/nd_Case1cov.jpg)
:o Then I was like "okay . . . what were they thinking?"
They were thinking on cashing-in on the vampire craze. Good business, really.
Quote from: SDLagent on February 16, 2011, 11:40:23 PM
They were thinking on cashing-in on the vampire craze. Good business, really.
I guess . . . ::) :-\
I've got the first two issues of the Nancy Drew New Casefiles series- mainly for the setting up of the later story arc- it doesn't seem like it's a huge thing where it's really worth having- I'll let you know more on it when I really have a chance to read it...
Quote from: MacGyver on February 17, 2011, 12:52:19 AM
I've got the first two issues of the Nancy Drew New Casefiles series- mainly for the setting up of the later story arc- it doesn't seem like it's a huge thing where it's really worth having- I'll let you know more on it when I really have a chance to read it...
That's pretty cool. Fourth wall breaking is usually really fun. In the TV series
Supernatural, they had a little bit of that in the latter seasons. The main characters of the series, the Winchester brothers, discover they have a fan following because of a series of novels called
Supernatural. In turns out the author of the series, Chuck, is a prophet and one day his novels will be included in the Bible as the "The Winchester Gospel". Also, the Winchesters brothers, to their disgust, discover
Supernatural fan fiction (including slash) and, in one episode, even attend a
Supernatural fan convention.
Quote from: Hardy Boys UB Fan on February 16, 2011, 11:19:21 PM
:o Then I was like "okay . . . what were they thinking?"
Quote from: MacGyver on February 17, 2011, 12:52:19 AM
I've got the first two issues of the Nancy Drew New Casefiles series- mainly for the setting up of the later story arc- it doesn't seem like it's a huge thing where it's really worth having- I'll let you know more on it when I really have a chance to read it...
My comments on the first one is here here (http://www.hardyboyscasefiles.com/forums/index.php?topic=1974.msg49352#msg49352).
Quote from: SDLagent on February 17, 2011, 03:22:16 AM
That's pretty cool. Fourth wall breaking is usually really fun.
I find a lot of times that it's the intelligent television shows that do that, and in a smart way.
Deadpool of Marvel Comics is great (and infamous) for this. ;D
I've got the first two issues of the Nancy Drew New Casefiles, mainly for the setup for the Hardy Boys/ Nancy Drew crossover. I wasn't really into the whole vampire/Twilight story.
For me, I am skipping the ND ones. It seems to be following the HB storyline more. I guess we'll see. If it seems necessary to read the first two ND then I will. I wasn't really into the vampire idea either. Zombies...not so much but at least it was Frank and Joe. They could be clowns and I'd still read it. :)
They were clowns in Wanted ;D
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on February 20, 2011, 06:12:53 PM
They were clowns in Wanted ;D
I know and I thought it was funny! ;)
I actually thought of that as soon as I wrote it. But you know what I meant. :)....Hopefully.