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Title: what became of Iola?
Post by: curo on July 06, 2008, 07:26:58 AM
she died in the first book of case files but how come she's around in the undercover brothers? ???
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: SkyWarp on July 06, 2008, 08:38:37 AM
The Undercover Brothers do not take place after the Casefiles.  In fact, they may be a total new universe as compared to the Casefiles and older books.  Thus Iola is alive. 
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: tomswift2002 on July 06, 2008, 11:07:28 AM
As far as the UB's go, for the first 5 or 6 volumes of the regular novels, the books continue on with the continuity established in the Grosset & Dunlap/Digest lines where Iola didn't die.  But since then, it seems like the only continous thing in the series is ATAC, otherwise since #7 the continuity has been restarted with every book it seems. 

If you are looking as to how the continuity goes overall, here's a list:

Frank and Joe Hardy/The Hardy Boys Are: The Clues Brothers (1997-2000, boys are 7 and 8, respectively)

The Hardy Boys (1927-1979)

The Hardy Boys Digest (1979-2005)

Possible Alternate Universe: The Hardy Boys Casefiles (1987-1998)/
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys Supermystery (1988-1998)/
A Hardy Boys and Tom Swift Ultra Thriller (1992-1993)

Definite Alternate Universe: The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers (2005-)
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys Super Mystery (2006-)
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: tomswift2002 on July 06, 2008, 11:14:45 AM
Some people believe the Casefiles are the continuation of the Digest series and take place after #190 Motocross Madness, while others believe that the Casefiles start just after Digest #85 The Skyfire Puzzle, which in both cases mean the Hardy's first case at 15/16 was The Tower Treasure.  But with the #85 theory that means that in one universe Iola (Casefiles) died while she is alive (Digest) in the other. 

And the UB's take place in an unrelated universe.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: NZone on July 06, 2008, 12:04:14 PM
OR ... the third option. This is a little known fact, but my brother's cousin's ex-wife's stepdaughter's great-uncle's friend's neighbor used to know a guy who took out the trash for the guy who cleaned the pool of one of the ghost-writers and in casefile 128, the hardy boys wake up and realize the whole casefiles series was a dream. Then they get a phone call from Iola who wants them to take her to the mall for a special surprise the day of the practice Philip Walker rally. The book was titled "WHAT??" and was supposed to close the casefiles. In case you haven't figured out by now I was making this all up.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Jokerette on July 06, 2008, 04:07:59 PM
she probably was alive because some writers never read some books. i know, i know, but Stefan Petrucha only read 1 Nancy Drew book and he is writing them!
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on July 06, 2008, 07:11:30 PM
I agree with SkyWarp and tomswift2002.

For HB:UB, it's like they were trying to do some kind of continuity and then failed (as tomswift2002 pointed out). I wonder if the series can be considered a spin-off or something.

I've read that some consider the Casefiles to be a spin-off, but I suppose they used the term loosely. I think the point was to show that the main basis is Frank and Joe, obviously, but also includes their friends and their town, BUT for a older readership and more mature plots. Again it may or may not be a continuation from the Digests.

In HB:UB, they are on their own most of the time, doing ATAC's bidding.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Sam Spade on July 07, 2008, 02:19:28 AM
Quote from: negative_zone on July 06, 2008, 12:04:14 PM
OR ... the third option. This is a little known fact, but my brother's cousin's ex-wife's stepdaughter's great-uncle's friend's neighbor used to know a guy who took out the trash for the guy who cleaned the pool of one of the ghost-writers and in casefile 128, the hardy boys wake up and realize the whole casefiles series was a dream. Then they get a phone call from Iola who wants them to take her to the mall for a special surprise the day of the practice Philip Walker rally. The book was titled "WHAT??" and was supposed to close the casefiles. In case you haven't figured out by now I was making this all up.

You're a real sarcastic fella aren't you, n_zone. ;)
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: SDLagent on July 07, 2008, 02:47:50 PM
As far as the continuities/universes go, I have an article on The Hardy Boys Wiki, about the different continuities.

http://hardyboys.wikia.com/wiki/Continuities (http://hardyboys.wikia.com/wiki/Continuities)
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: JH4 on July 16, 2008, 12:36:40 PM
She is never seen or heard from again
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on July 17, 2008, 10:54:03 AM
This is nothing new (and I probably pointed out this link before) but here's more info if anyone's interested - scroll down to #3.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/5567/faq.html
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Bigfootman on September 13, 2008, 03:14:16 PM
Ioa seems to be slowly being earsed from the UBs
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on September 29, 2008, 02:55:43 PM
Well she was in Murder at the mall. Maybe next she will be another book, what do we know really at the moment.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: 003Robin457 on September 29, 2008, 06:57:55 PM
Ubs came before Murder at the mall if they are even in the same universe. I think she is alive. First of all NO body, major hint there.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on September 29, 2008, 09:38:36 PM
How did the UBs come before Murder at the Mall when MATM is a UB?

You have a point about "no body", but if she was literally/for sure burnt to a crisp there wouldn't be one.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on September 30, 2008, 11:10:11 AM
Will she come back in the next trilogy?
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: NZone on September 30, 2008, 04:32:11 PM
SHE'S DEAD!!! OK?? JUST FACE IT!!!
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: 003Robin457 on September 30, 2008, 04:40:58 PM
The bomb that killed her was made of an expermental material that accedintly sent her to the year 3041. Where she had grouped together a band of rebals to fight off the Assassin Government that now ruled the world. The Hadys where souposed to save her in the 3rd Tom Swift crossover Time Chase but it was cancled.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on September 30, 2008, 10:34:56 PM
What became of Iola? Well, she's more liked then Callie and Vanessa put together so even from the dead she still matters ;)
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 01, 2008, 11:09:25 AM
Which Hardy Boys UB did she die on, she was in Murder At the Mall..... What book after that did she die in???
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Sam Spade on October 01, 2008, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 01, 2008, 11:09:25 AM
Which Hardy Boys UB did she die on, she was in Murder At the Mall..... What book after that did she die in???

Iola is still alive in the UB series. She only died in the CFs.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 01, 2008, 02:20:57 PM
That is what I want to know. So then I want to say, that it is possible for Iola to die in a UB, and Double Trouble is a UB trilogy, so she could be involved.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: SDLagent on October 01, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
Are you kidding me? Iola won't die in Double Danger! No, recurring characters will ever die in the UB at this rate! Vijay Petal won't even get promoted!
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on October 02, 2008, 12:16:43 AM
The Casefiles are a lot more intense and for lack of a better term, grittier. Iola's death gave motivation for the series.

There are a ton of murders in the UBs, but it seems they will only solve cases about others and then go back home and live their safe suburban life. That's what it seems like to me. I don't mean it to sound so negative, but I don't know how else to explain it...
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 02, 2008, 07:45:57 AM
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 02, 2008, 12:16:43 AM

There are a ton of murders in the UBs, but it seems they will only solve cases about others and then go back home and live their safe suburban life.

What life??? Every time the Hardys get home another case from ATAC is waiting for them.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 02, 2008, 11:00:33 AM
The hardy boys never go back to there safe and comfy home, when they get home there is always another mission waiting for them to start. They get their congrats from the last one....

And then it is back to business as usual, they leave for another mission, which brings forth the question why is there mom not suspicous about how many vacations they win or go on.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 02, 2008, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 02, 2008, 11:00:33 AM
The hardy boys never go back to there safe and comfy home, when they get home there is always another mission waiting for them to start. They get their congrats from the last one....

And then it is back to business as usual, they leave for another mission, which brings forth the question why is there mom not suspicous about how many vacations they win or go on.

...or how many field trips the Hardys take!
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on October 02, 2008, 10:53:29 PM
They're not home for long, but we do get the sense of them being with their family sometimes until they excuse themselves in the middle of whatever it is to go see their disc. Playback shows up and there are comments from Aunt Trudy too. Obviously this isn't in every book, but it's in the series enough because we do have some kind of idea of their home life.

Perhaps it's just fading out a lot more now? I don't know.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 03, 2008, 02:26:27 PM
Look, if I was the Hardy Dad and I didn't know anything about ATAC, (Even though Fenton Does)  I would probably have figured something out by now.

Its Fenton Hardy that makes sure they can go on the missions which is probably why Vijays parents don't get suspicious because he does not do missions.

But since the Hardy Boys can go on Missions without anyone noticing they are the best choice. I don't know if we will  ever see another Hardy go on a mission.

I wrote a short story about Vijay going on a mission but I already handed it in..... He calls police and the criminals are caught...
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: 003Robin457 on October 12, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on October 01, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
Are you kidding me? Iola won't die in Double Danger! No, recurring characters will ever die in the UB at this rate! Vijay Petal won't even get promoted!
Do you want someone to die? Are you reading and thinking "If I where the Author I would kill him and him and her...."
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 12, 2008, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 12, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
Do you want someone to die? Are you reading and thinking "If I where the Author I would kill him and him and her...."

If I were the author of the series I would definetly try to mix up every book so that my readers were not reading the same plot and characters over and over again.  If that meant writing out an important character by either having them move, or be killed in order to have an effect on my main character(s), then yes I would write-off a character or do something that my readers really weren't expecting, like having one of the main characters get a broken arm or other appendage.

But the UB Hardy's as characters do not grow.  The Hardy Boys in the Undercover Brothers are more or less like stagnant 1-Dimensional characters.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 14, 2008, 10:57:47 AM
Which is what I mean when I say the Ub's happen over a month or two, a couple days a mission cause nothing would really change over a month or two.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on October 14, 2008, 04:25:36 PM
But they make mentions of seasons and stuff, don't they? And weeks seem to pass.

If you just mean in general, then okay. But anyways, they stay the same age forever so they're stuck in the same one or two years.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: NZone on October 14, 2008, 05:48:19 PM
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 12, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
Do you want someone to die? Are you reading and thinking "If I where the Author I would kill him and him and her...."

YES!! Like in the Bourne Supremacy, I actually cheered out loud when Marie got shot. I hated her.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 16, 2008, 11:01:25 AM
Thats cause they want the storyline not to change. With time things would change...
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 16, 2008, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 16, 2008, 11:01:25 AM
Thats cause they want the storyline not to change. With time things would change...

Well, why couldn't they have at least Joe get a broken leg that would last over the course of a couple of volumes?
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Sam Spade on October 17, 2008, 02:33:46 AM
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 14, 2008, 05:48:19 PM
YES!! Like in the Bourne Supremacy, I actually cheered out loud when Marie got shot. I hated her.

You were glad when she died? Well, come to think'a it, The Bourne Ultimatum might have been the best of the three, but I don't have a favorite...I love those movies! 8)
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 17, 2008, 11:07:52 AM
Cause there different... There just about the same things. There just one book.. basicly in the next one he has healed..
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: 003Robin457 on October 19, 2008, 05:51:22 PM
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 16, 2008, 05:06:18 PM
Well, why couldn't they have at least Joe get a broken leg that would last over the course of a couple of volumes?
If they did then you would say "Why does Joe have a broken leg for so long. I'm tired of him complaining about how he can't chase after suspects and it totally limits the action since he can't run!"
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: Olivia on October 19, 2008, 09:49:24 PM
The Bourne series is ripped off of James Bond.

Jason Bourne

James Bond

;)
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 20, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
Um... Iola.alive, what did that come from in this discussion?
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: NZone on October 20, 2008, 11:02:44 AM
um can you read? I was saying how I cheered out loud when Marie got shot in Bourne Supremacy.
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 20, 2008, 11:04:42 AM
I can read Nzone, or else I would not be talking about books that I have read!.. I just didn't read a page over!
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: NZone on October 20, 2008, 11:14:03 AM
well then why you yelling at me? whose fault?
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 21, 2008, 09:12:35 PM
Why do you annoy me?
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: NZone on October 21, 2008, 09:17:18 PM
good question ... only you've got it turned around
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: SDLagent on October 21, 2008, 10:57:53 PM
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 21, 2008, 09:12:35 PM
Why do you annoy me?

Why do you let him? Doesn't anyone ever bug you?
Title: Re: what became of Iola?
Post by: bozonessinc on October 22, 2008, 11:06:19 AM
Alot of people do.. I just ignore them, its very annoying then SDLagent.