she died in the first book of case files but how come she's around in the undercover brothers? ???
The Undercover Brothers do not take place after the Casefiles. In fact, they may be a total new universe as compared to the Casefiles and older books. Thus Iola is alive.
As far as the UB's go, for the first 5 or 6 volumes of the regular novels, the books continue on with the continuity established in the Grosset & Dunlap/Digest lines where Iola didn't die. But since then, it seems like the only continous thing in the series is ATAC, otherwise since #7 the continuity has been restarted with every book it seems.
If you are looking as to how the continuity goes overall, here's a list:
Frank and Joe Hardy/The Hardy Boys Are: The Clues Brothers (1997-2000, boys are 7 and 8, respectively)
The Hardy Boys (1927-1979)
The Hardy Boys Digest (1979-2005)
Possible Alternate Universe: The Hardy Boys Casefiles (1987-1998)/
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys Supermystery (1988-1998)/
A Hardy Boys and Tom Swift Ultra Thriller (1992-1993)
Definite Alternate Universe: The Hardy Boys Undercover Brothers (2005-)
A Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys Super Mystery (2006-)
Some people believe the Casefiles are the continuation of the Digest series and take place after #190 Motocross Madness, while others believe that the Casefiles start just after Digest #85 The Skyfire Puzzle, which in both cases mean the Hardy's first case at 15/16 was The Tower Treasure. But with the #85 theory that means that in one universe Iola (Casefiles) died while she is alive (Digest) in the other.
And the UB's take place in an unrelated universe.
OR ... the third option. This is a little known fact, but my brother's cousin's ex-wife's stepdaughter's great-uncle's friend's neighbor used to know a guy who took out the trash for the guy who cleaned the pool of one of the ghost-writers and in casefile 128, the hardy boys wake up and realize the whole casefiles series was a dream. Then they get a phone call from Iola who wants them to take her to the mall for a special surprise the day of the practice Philip Walker rally. The book was titled "WHAT??" and was supposed to close the casefiles. In case you haven't figured out by now I was making this all up.
she probably was alive because some writers never read some books. i know, i know, but Stefan Petrucha only read 1 Nancy Drew book and he is writing them!
I agree with SkyWarp and tomswift2002.
For HB:UB, it's like they were trying to do some kind of continuity and then failed (as tomswift2002 pointed out). I wonder if the series can be considered a spin-off or something.
I've read that some consider the Casefiles to be a spin-off, but I suppose they used the term loosely. I think the point was to show that the main basis is Frank and Joe, obviously, but also includes their friends and their town, BUT for a older readership and more mature plots. Again it may or may not be a continuation from the Digests.
In HB:UB, they are on their own most of the time, doing ATAC's bidding.
Quote from: negative_zone on July 06, 2008, 12:04:14 PM
OR ... the third option. This is a little known fact, but my brother's cousin's ex-wife's stepdaughter's great-uncle's friend's neighbor used to know a guy who took out the trash for the guy who cleaned the pool of one of the ghost-writers and in casefile 128, the hardy boys wake up and realize the whole casefiles series was a dream. Then they get a phone call from Iola who wants them to take her to the mall for a special surprise the day of the practice Philip Walker rally. The book was titled "WHAT??" and was supposed to close the casefiles. In case you haven't figured out by now I was making this all up.
You're a real sarcastic fella aren't you, n_zone. ;)
As far as the continuities/universes go, I have an article on The Hardy Boys Wiki, about the different continuities.
http://hardyboys.wikia.com/wiki/Continuities (http://hardyboys.wikia.com/wiki/Continuities)
She is never seen or heard from again
This is nothing new (and I probably pointed out this link before) but here's more info if anyone's interested - scroll down to #3.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/5567/faq.html
Ioa seems to be slowly being earsed from the UBs
Well she was in Murder at the mall. Maybe next she will be another book, what do we know really at the moment.
Ubs came before Murder at the mall if they are even in the same universe. I think she is alive. First of all NO body, major hint there.
How did the UBs come before Murder at the Mall when MATM is a UB?
You have a point about "no body", but if she was literally/for sure burnt to a crisp there wouldn't be one.
Will she come back in the next trilogy?
SHE'S DEAD!!! OK?? JUST FACE IT!!!
The bomb that killed her was made of an expermental material that accedintly sent her to the year 3041. Where she had grouped together a band of rebals to fight off the Assassin Government that now ruled the world. The Hadys where souposed to save her in the 3rd Tom Swift crossover Time Chase but it was cancled.
What became of Iola? Well, she's more liked then Callie and Vanessa put together so even from the dead she still matters ;)
Which Hardy Boys UB did she die on, she was in Murder At the Mall..... What book after that did she die in???
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 01, 2008, 11:09:25 AM
Which Hardy Boys UB did she die on, she was in Murder At the Mall..... What book after that did she die in???
Iola is still alive in the UB series. She only died in the CFs.
That is what I want to know. So then I want to say, that it is possible for Iola to die in a UB, and Double Trouble is a UB trilogy, so she could be involved.
Are you kidding me? Iola won't die in Double Danger! No, recurring characters will ever die in the UB at this rate! Vijay Petal won't even get promoted!
The Casefiles are a lot more intense and for lack of a better term, grittier. Iola's death gave motivation for the series.
There are a ton of murders in the UBs, but it seems they will only solve cases about others and then go back home and live their safe suburban life. That's what it seems like to me. I don't mean it to sound so negative, but I don't know how else to explain it...
Quote from: Iola.Alive on October 02, 2008, 12:16:43 AM
There are a ton of murders in the UBs, but it seems they will only solve cases about others and then go back home and live their safe suburban life.
What life??? Every time the Hardys get home another case from ATAC is waiting for them.
The hardy boys never go back to there safe and comfy home, when they get home there is always another mission waiting for them to start. They get their congrats from the last one....
And then it is back to business as usual, they leave for another mission, which brings forth the question why is there mom not suspicous about how many vacations they win or go on.
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 02, 2008, 11:00:33 AM
The hardy boys never go back to there safe and comfy home, when they get home there is always another mission waiting for them to start. They get their congrats from the last one....
And then it is back to business as usual, they leave for another mission, which brings forth the question why is there mom not suspicous about how many vacations they win or go on.
...or how many field trips the Hardys take!
They're not home for long, but we do get the sense of them being with their family sometimes until they excuse themselves in the middle of whatever it is to go see their disc. Playback shows up and there are comments from Aunt Trudy too. Obviously this isn't in every book, but it's in the series enough because we do have some kind of idea of their home life.
Perhaps it's just fading out a lot more now? I don't know.
Look, if I was the Hardy Dad and I didn't know anything about ATAC, (Even though Fenton Does) I would probably have figured something out by now.
Its Fenton Hardy that makes sure they can go on the missions which is probably why Vijays parents don't get suspicious because he does not do missions.
But since the Hardy Boys can go on Missions without anyone noticing they are the best choice. I don't know if we will ever see another Hardy go on a mission.
I wrote a short story about Vijay going on a mission but I already handed it in..... He calls police and the criminals are caught...
Quote from: SDLagent on October 01, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
Are you kidding me? Iola won't die in Double Danger! No, recurring characters will ever die in the UB at this rate! Vijay Petal won't even get promoted!
Do you want someone to die? Are you reading and thinking "If I where the Author I would kill him and him and her...."
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 12, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
Do you want someone to die? Are you reading and thinking "If I where the Author I would kill him and him and her...."
If I were the author of the series I would definetly try to mix up every book so that my readers were not reading the same plot and characters over and over again. If that meant writing out an important character by either having them move, or be killed in order to have an effect on my main character(s), then yes I would write-off a character or do something that my readers really weren't expecting, like having one of the main characters get a broken arm or other appendage.
But the UB Hardy's as characters do not grow. The Hardy Boys in the Undercover Brothers are more or less like stagnant 1-Dimensional characters.
Which is what I mean when I say the Ub's happen over a month or two, a couple days a mission cause nothing would really change over a month or two.
But they make mentions of seasons and stuff, don't they? And weeks seem to pass.
If you just mean in general, then okay. But anyways, they stay the same age forever so they're stuck in the same one or two years.
Quote from: 003Robin457 on October 12, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
Do you want someone to die? Are you reading and thinking "If I where the Author I would kill him and him and her...."
YES!! Like in the Bourne Supremacy, I actually cheered out loud when Marie got shot. I hated her.
Thats cause they want the storyline not to change. With time things would change...
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 16, 2008, 11:01:25 AM
Thats cause they want the storyline not to change. With time things would change...
Well, why couldn't they have at least Joe get a broken leg that would last over the course of a couple of volumes?
Quote from: Negative Zone on October 14, 2008, 05:48:19 PM
YES!! Like in the Bourne Supremacy, I actually cheered out loud when Marie got shot. I hated her.
You were glad when she died? Well, come to think'a it, The Bourne Ultimatum might have been the best of the three, but I don't have a favorite...I love those movies! 8)
Cause there different... There just about the same things. There just one book.. basicly in the next one he has healed..
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 16, 2008, 05:06:18 PM
Well, why couldn't they have at least Joe get a broken leg that would last over the course of a couple of volumes?
If they did then you would say "Why does Joe have a broken leg for so long. I'm tired of him complaining about how he can't chase after suspects and it totally limits the action since he can't run!"
The Bourne series is ripped off of James Bond.
Jason Bourne
James Bond
;)
Um... Iola.alive, what did that come from in this discussion?
um can you read? I was saying how I cheered out loud when Marie got shot in Bourne Supremacy.
I can read Nzone, or else I would not be talking about books that I have read!.. I just didn't read a page over!
well then why you yelling at me? whose fault?
Why do you annoy me?
good question ... only you've got it turned around
Quote from: bozonessinc on October 21, 2008, 09:12:35 PM
Why do you annoy me?
Why do you let him? Doesn't anyone ever bug you?
Alot of people do.. I just ignore them, its very annoying then SDLagent.