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Title: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 01, 2008, 07:35:33 PM
so I am reading the casefile #99 i think it is where joe and frank are in new orleans and joe is accused of a murder. how the ahuthor had no idea how the law in america works or how he could ommit it thinking it was ok cuz its a wrk of fiction is beyond me, cuz even for a fiction book, the scenarios the guys get in2 in this casefiles is too ridiculous. first, joe is 17, meaning he is a minor. when he gets arrested, his parents are not called. they should have been called however because he is still under their control till he turns 18. also, there are just too many ridiculous happenings 1 after another. i mean, they act like way older than high school kids. getting grenades thrown at them, shot at. i dk, its just way too far fetched. if they were at least ini their 20s itd be more believable.

and ive noticed this  not just 4 this book, but for most of the hardy books. they shoulda been older cuz they stuff they get in2 just doesnt make sense for their age.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: NZone on October 01, 2008, 08:02:24 PM
well, it is a fiction series, I believe you are referring to Frame-Up. I have read that one and it is one of the more unbelievable ones because of how the legal system works. You're right. However, the Hardy Boys are escapist literature, not realist. It's ok for it to be unbelievable.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 01, 2008, 08:20:41 PM
hey, im an animorphs fan, i know books of fiction are supposed to be an escape from reality, but alota the hardy books, especially frame up, are too much of a stretch  even 4 fiction. i mean the animorphs was about a group of middle school kids fighting off an alien invasion, and it was STILL more believable than alota the hardy boy books i read ::) dont get me wrong, im a hardy boys fan, but i must say, they didnt have the best ghost writers all the time
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: NZone on October 01, 2008, 08:42:20 PM
It's called Suspension of Disbelief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief)
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 02, 2008, 12:09:02 AM
sorry, im afraid that theory doesnt apply to me. i can enjoy reading the unbelievable (hence my love of fantasy and sci-fi) but when it is ridiculously believable, and just way too much, then i spend too much time criticizing the story line, cuz my brain just cant handle the ridiculousness
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 02, 2008, 07:42:36 AM
The majority of the Casefiles had the Hardys ducking from grenades and bombs.  Just look at Dead On Target.  The Hardys and their friends were tied to pillar with plastique around it.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 05, 2008, 06:32:57 PM
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 02, 2008, 07:42:36 AM
The majority of the Casefiles had the Hardys ducking from grenades and bombs.  Just look at Dead On Target.  The Hardys and their friends were tied to pillar with plastique around it.

ya i kno, but its still more believable than a 17 yr old getting arrested and being able to keep his parents out of it ::)  and i finally finished that book. def 1 of the most far fetched ones ive read in a while. i dk, why didnt the authors just make the hardys college age, at least 4 the casefiles? it woulda made more sense
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: Bigfootman on October 05, 2008, 06:41:36 PM
Of course the UBs have a share of unbelievable hardy events. Inculding the re-re-formating disk
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 05, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: Bigfootman on October 05, 2008, 06:41:36 PM
Of course the UBs have a share of unbelievable hardy events. Inculding the re-re-formating disk

Or how about a government agency sending them to stop a murder at a food eating contest during half-time at the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 06, 2008, 12:31:05 AM
nope, dont know that 1. but them getting involved with the terrorist organizations at all was too much 4 me, cuz i mean, theyre hight school kids! regardless of them being the hardy boys or not.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: Olivia on October 06, 2008, 12:55:14 AM
Them getting involved with terrorist organizations?

Well, they don't get involved with them. Somehow they get connected to them. (I suppose that could be considered the same diff, but whatever). And second, I think there are just as many "unbelievable" events in hmm, what is the newest series called? Oh yeah...

Un
Believable

The Originals can be also considered "unbelievable" with how they always solve the case in a specific formula, and so on.

But I'm just getting carried away. I think the point was to discuss the high level of unbelievability.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: NZone on October 06, 2008, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: devoika86 on October 05, 2008, 06:32:57 PM
ya i kno, but its still more believable than a 17 yr old getting arrested and being able to keep his parents out of it ::) 

well actually in that casefile (#99) Joe's parents are notified
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 06, 2008, 12:31:34 PM
ya, the parents were contacted by the boys themselves once joe was already out of jail. his parents woulda been contacted by the police while he was still under arrest because he is under 18
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: NZone on October 06, 2008, 03:04:30 PM
no, they contacted them as soon as Joe was arrested
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 07, 2008, 02:12:29 AM
dude i just read the book. frank called home after joe was bailed outa jail by all night al. in real life the cops woulda called joes mom cuz he is a minor and there4 still in there care
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: NZone on October 07, 2008, 09:56:13 AM
Dude, I have the book too, I'm just too lazy to go check.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 07, 2008, 06:35:22 PM
then just take my word on it.

the hardy boys are cool and all, but really, the authors shoulda done some research bout laws (just a lil) b4 they wrote sum of the books they did
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: Olivia on October 08, 2008, 12:33:36 AM
I think it's safe to say there are a lot more mistakes in other books, and maybe even other HBs series.

Also, it might not be that they didn't do the research or have the knowledge. Sometimes a detail could be forgotten or since there is a limited amount of space in a book, they skip over things.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 08, 2008, 01:15:46 AM
i def agree, this isnt the only book with unbelievable events. i dk, im finding it hard to read hardy books all the way thru now a days, cuz i keep havin to put the book down and go "no freakin way did a teenager just do that". and how come the boys are hardly ever in school? its like its always summer or winter vacation. convinient. ::) :P
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: SDLagent on October 08, 2008, 01:18:56 AM
Um, so what DO you like about the Hardy Boys? You seem to dislike the main premise!


Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: Olivia on October 08, 2008, 01:40:38 AM
devoika86 - It has to be like that in a series like this. Otherwise they'll actually get older. Or, the amount of books that can be written will be very limited.

Of all the things to pick on, that is the one thing that can't change or the whole series won't work.

You must hate TV too ;)
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 09, 2008, 12:07:00 AM
nah, i love tv :P  dude, i dont mind unbelievable, but in alota books they just start out too much too fast and its like, if u were gona do all this gung ho action packed stuff, u shoulda at least made the boys college age, if not in the digests at least in the casefiles
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: SDLagent on October 09, 2008, 12:44:14 AM
Well, that's how The Hardy Boys are.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: Olivia on October 09, 2008, 05:51:18 PM
I think it would generally put a damper on it if they were college-age. It's almost like they are too old and have more responsibility or something. Not that it couldn't work or wouldn't be just as good, but still.

I don't mean "too old" as in "Wow, they're old!" Because hello, I'm obviously a certain age too ::) I just mean for the sake of the series their their original age works well (16-18).

But I have read a couple of fan fiction (haven't read any in a long time though, and I'm really selective) where they do pull them off in their 20's very well.
Title: Re: the unbelievable hardy events
Post by: devoika86 on October 10, 2008, 01:13:18 AM
well at least in the casefiles they should be older, like 19 and 20 or whatever. but the hardy boys are still good and all, but some are just more unbelievable than others is all