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Title: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on February 27, 2010, 11:25:25 PM
So I am really enjoying these GNs...I am FINALLY catching up on some of them. However, while I reading Opposite Numbers, I was confused as to why the illustrations changed throughout the story?! I enjoy the "normal" artwork much better than the out of the blue anime type of artwork.

Does anyone know about this or notice it in other GNs as well? (I haven't read all of them yet)
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: SDLagent on February 27, 2010, 11:45:47 PM
That's because there's three artists on that one. Daniel Rendon, Paulo Henrique, and Sidney Lima to be exact. #6 Hyde & Shriek is also co-drawn by Henrique and Lima, so it's not the first title to have more then one artists.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on February 28, 2010, 03:27:33 PM
Yeah I saw them listed on the cover. I don't mind that there were 3 artists but I did kind of mind that it was inconsistent. I'm not sure I see the point in that....
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: MacGyver on February 28, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
As long as the story's cohesive and coherent, I don't mind so much. (Though it certainly is a bit odd, but oh well.) And this was one was definitely a great story.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: SDLagent on March 01, 2010, 12:10:23 AM
I prefer consistency, too.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on March 01, 2010, 04:54:18 PM
I agree MacGyver...it was definitely a good story so I didn't seem to mind that much. But I don't know...it still bugged me. They go from super cute to super ANIME...which is not my style. Sorry to anyone who likes it but it's just not right with Hardy Boys. It conflicts with the image I have of them in my head.

Consistency...definitely.

I still plan on reading the other ones...I just was curious about this one in particular.

Oh and those darn Noir sisters?! I know they come back because I remember reading about them in a later GN. Not too sure about them yet...
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: SDLagent on March 01, 2010, 08:50:48 PM
I like the Noirs. They make a good nemesis for the Hardys. Plus, evil girls against good boys makes sense, right?
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: MacGyver on March 01, 2010, 10:38:06 PM
Sure. It's just like Alia and Zoe against Sam and Al on Quantum Leap. (in the 5th. season.) :D
(Couldn't resist making the comparison for one of my favorite shows.)
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on March 02, 2010, 03:31:43 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on March 01, 2010, 08:50:48 PM
I like the Noirs. They make a good nemesis for the Hardys. Plus, evil girls against good boys makes sense, right?

Is it bad of me to enjoy villainous girls rather than Nancy Drew? The whole damsel in distress thing is overrated. Give the guys some danger and adventure, I say! :)
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: MacGyver on March 02, 2010, 04:09:12 PM
I love Nancy Drew. She's definitely not always portrayed as a damsel in distress.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on March 02, 2010, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on March 02, 2010, 04:09:12 PM
I love Nancy Drew. She's definitely not always portrayed as a damsel in distress.


As soon as I wrote my post I knew someone would think that is what I was saying. No she's more the heroine than the damsel in distress. I realize that. I don't dislike her completely but I have to say I am not a huge fan. Maybe it's because she is sometimes portrayed as liking Frank and well she can't have my man! LOL :D

It's silly...but I rather have my guys in danger and pushed to the limit through adventure and mystery than anyone else...girl or otherwise.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: SDLagent on March 02, 2010, 11:15:02 PM
I like Nancy Drew, but I think I like the Noir sisters a bit more.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on March 04, 2010, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: SDLagent on March 02, 2010, 11:15:02 PM
I like Nancy Drew, but I think I like the Noir sisters a bit more.

I'm with you on this one Spencer but they are quite different. It makes for a hard comparison in some ways. However, I do like the danger aspect and antagonist vibe of the Noir sisters versus Nancy Drew being a fellow detective (and at times overshadowing my guys when they are written together).

Slightly off topic...Nancy Drew fans...Make me a fan. What book would you suggest to me that could convince me to be more pro-Nancy?
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: SDLagent on March 04, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
I haven't read any of Nancy's novels, but I have read some of the Nancy Drew Graphic Novel series. I've only read the early volumes, but I found they were written better then the early The Hardy Boys Graphic Novel titles.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: MacGyver on March 04, 2010, 09:26:00 PM
Of the Nancy Drew books I've read, I've always really enjoyed "The Hidden Staircase" (which was used as the basis for one of the 1930s movies, by the way). I would also recommend "The Sign of the Twisted Candles", "The Mystery at the Ski Jump", "The Mystery of the 99 Steps", "The Clue in the Album" and "The Invisible Intruder".
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on March 05, 2010, 01:34:06 AM
Thank you SDLagent and MacGyver.

All I have based my dislike or whatever is on the 70s show (although I kinda liked Pamela Sue Martin) and a few super mysteries. I guess I will give Nancy a fair chance before completely disregarding her. After all, she DOES get involved with my two fave guys...I will definitely take those into consideration the next time I stop at the library. Thanks again! :)
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: MacGyver on March 05, 2010, 07:51:10 AM
Sure, no problem.
      As far as Nancy being characterized as interested in Frank, I think that's mainly been relegated to The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries show and then later on from there, The Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Supermysteries series. (And even within that series, Nancy and Frank come to an empasse where they both decide that they are committed to their significant others. [See "The Last Resort"]. Nancy loves Ned and Frank loves Callie.)
        I don't know if the Nancy/Frank thing is really explored in any of their other meetings. (i.e. the Super Sleuths books, the Camp Fire stories, the Undercover Brothers/Girl Detective Supermysteries series or the '90s TV series.)
    But it is worth noting that Joe and Bess also seem to have a slight relationship possibility going on in both the '70s show and in the '88 Supermysteries series. (But theirs is much more subdued than Nancy and Frank.)
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: SDLagent on March 05, 2010, 04:36:22 PM
In the Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery '07 series, Frank and Nancy do seem to be interested in each other, but nothing much has happened between them so far.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: MacGyver on March 05, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
Okay, so that tradition continues then. As long as they stay within the boundaries and I'm sure they will. Because I really don't want to read some big subplot about Ned coming after Frank to beat him up for hitting on his girl. lol ;D
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: tomswift2002 on March 05, 2010, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on March 05, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
Okay, so that tradition continues then. As long as they stay within the boundaries and I'm sure they will. Because I really don't want to read some big subplot about Ned coming after Frank to beat him up for hitting on his girl. lol ;D

In The Last Resort you sort of see Ned and Frank heading down that road at one point.  But then you also have to remember that Ned of the Nancy Drew Files is a different from the Ned of the Original Nancy Drew continuity and Girl Detective, since the Ned of the Files did dump Nancy and get engaged to a different woman in that series.  And Ned wasn't Nancy's boyfriend in the Nancy Drew On Campus series.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on March 06, 2010, 12:49:16 AM
Well Nancy would have to look out for for me because she can NOT have Frank!! lol I say that half seriously...:) But really, I kind of liked Parker and Pamela. Maybe it was more the actors rather than the characters. I prefer Ned with Nancy and Frank with Callie though. I think my opinion is a little tainted by reading fan fiction where Frank is with Nancy. If the fan fic is written really well I can overlook it but it still bugs me. To me Frank will always be with Callie.

As for Joe and Bess in the 70s show, I could have seen that. I never really got George but Bess would have been cute with Joe. As you can see I am not as picky about who Joe is with. I'm not always sure he is either. HEHE No I love Joe but he does have a wandering eye at times.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: Olivia on May 02, 2010, 06:34:04 PM
Quote from: hardygirl847 on March 06, 2010, 12:49:16 AM
Well Nancy would have to look out for for me because she can NOT have Frank!! lol I say that half seriously...:) But really, I kind of liked Parker and Pamela. Maybe it was more the actors rather than the characters. I prefer Ned with Nancy and Frank with Callie though. I think my opinion is a little tainted by reading fan fiction where Frank is with Nancy. If the fan fic is written really well I can overlook it but it still bugs me. To me Frank will always be with Callie.

As for Joe and Bess in the 70s show, I could have seen that. I never really got George but Bess would have been cute with Joe. As you can see I am not as picky about who Joe is with. I'm not always sure he is either. HEHE No I love Joe but he does have a wandering eye at times.

(I'm kind of joking here) but is it possible that you prefer Frank/Callie because Nancy is more of a threat? lol.

BTW, I kind of understand why you're not a complete Nancy fan. A lot of times, I find some of the stories boring. I'm not sure where I became a fan, but it must have been somewhere in the Files and/or the early 100's in the regular series. Or more likely, the Supermysteries ('88) as I really like it when the three of them team up as it kind of goes to a different level.

I also only like PSM's portrayal.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on June 02, 2010, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: Olivia on May 02, 2010, 06:34:04 PM
(I'm kind of joking here) but is it possible that you prefer Frank/Callie because Nancy is more of a threat? lol.

BTW, I kind of understand why you're not a complete Nancy fan. A lot of times, I find some of the stories boring. I'm not sure where I became a fan, but it must have been somewhere in the Files and/or the early 100's in the regular series. Or more likely, the Supermysteries ('88) as I really like it when the three of them team up as it kind of goes to a different level.

I also only like PSM's portrayal.

No, you might be right about Nancy being a threat. It's probably because I have SEEN her with Frank (well PSM with Parker) and Callie wasn't a love interest in the show. I don't know really....I don't like when she takes up more of a story than the boys. I like some of their Super Mysteries as long as it doesn't become Nancy......and those cute Hardy boys.

It's a very weird thing I've always felt since I started reading the HBs when I was 12. Maybe it's my inner tween still feeling that way. Haha! It's silly but whatever. :p I just want Frank to be happy...fictional or not. hehe

I have to give Nancy a few more chances before completely writing her off. There are some fan fic writers that write her well and I like her in some stories. Often, she's written in as Frank's love interest but not having a huge role in the story.

I liked Pamela Sue Martin's portrayal too...much more than the new girl that they had.
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: SDLagent on June 03, 2010, 02:23:27 AM
It seems it's the female fans who have the biggest problem with Nancy "taking over".
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: hardygirl847 on June 03, 2010, 04:45:22 PM
I can agree with that. Nancy adds more a female character for the male population. I'll keep with my boys though. You all can have Nancy.  8)
Title: Re: #7 Opposite Numbers
Post by: Olivia on October 03, 2010, 08:34:16 PM
Quote from: hardygirl847 on June 02, 2010, 08:03:06 PM
No, you might be right about Nancy being a threat. It's probably because I have SEEN her with Frank (well PSM with Parker) and Callie wasn't a love interest in the show. I don't know really....I don't like when she takes up more of a story than the boys. I like some of their Super Mysteries as long as it doesn't become Nancy......and those cute Hardy boys.

It's a very weird thing I've always felt since I started reading the HBs when I was 12. Maybe it's my inner tween still feeling that way. Haha! It's silly but whatever. :p I just want Frank to be happy...fictional or not. hehe

I have to give Nancy a few more chances before completely writing her off. There are some fan fic writers that write her well and I like her in some stories. Often, she's written in as Frank's love interest but not having a huge role in the story.

I liked Pamela Sue Martin's portrayal too...much more than the new girl that they had.

Thanks for your response!

And regarding the bold statement above, I know they do that with the '88 Supermysteries because it's actually a little more based on ND since the stories were created that way. I'm guessing they were just focusing more on the female demographic at the time and that ND Files were selling really well. (I know there are tons of female HBs fans, but I think ND was really popular and people tend to think female in a book = good present for female, not to mention, the cliche that girls read more).

Also, since the stories are just about divided equally between ND and HBs, it might seem like she's in it more or has more of a basis because (just a random example to demonstrate) Nancy as one person would have 50% of the book, while Frank and Joe have, say, about 25% each.

I'm not saying that's all accurate necessarily, but some rough conclusions I've come to.