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Title: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on February 05, 2013, 09:23:50 AM
Hey- I think I may have found the title of the 4th. book in the Hardy Boys Adventures series!!! :) 8)
I just saw that Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Hardy-Boys-Adventures-Mystery-Vanishing/dp/1442488972/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360076797&sr=1-3&keywords=Secret+of+the+Red+Arrow) has a listing for a bundle of HBA books- it looks like Simon & Schuster is doing a bundle set of books 1-4 like they did with the Undercover Brothers series.
The titles listed on the page are: Secret of the Red Arrow, Mystery of the Phantom Heist, The Vanishing Game and Into Thin Air- so it may be something else, I suppose- but it seems likely that this last one is the title of the 4th. book in the series. Judging by the names and the plot description given already for the third book, it seems likely that books three and four are connected in storylines, like the first and second book are. I'm starting to get the impression that maybe this will be the standard going forward- like how the UB series gave us trilogies towards the latter end of the series, maybe this new HBA series will be doing 2-part mysteries throughout the series' run. (Which would also explain why two books were released at a time for the start of the series. I thought at first that it was just for the kickoff of the series, but now I'm thinking maybe this will be the norm for the run of the series. I guess we'll have to see if both books 3 and 4 also wind up having the same release date.)
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on February 05, 2013, 09:27:31 AM
By the way, that book bundle is scheduled to release on November 12, 2013. I'm guessing it will probably have a box set for all 4 books. That will be a nice collectible, and it will be great to give as a Christmas gift or other holidays, etc., as it's a great starter set for new fans.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on February 05, 2013, 09:40:43 AM
QuoteI'm starting to get the impression that maybe this will be the standard going forward- like how the UB series gave us trilogies towards the latter end of the series, maybe this new HBA series will be doing 2-part mysteries throughout the series' run. (Which would also explain why two books were released at a time for the start of the series. I thought at first that it was just for the kickoff of the series, but now I'm thinking maybe this will be the norm for the run of the series. I guess we'll have to see if both books 3 and 4 also wind up having the same release date.)

Well, I guess that (http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Franklin-Dixon/dp/1442473452/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360078290&sr=1-1&keywords=Into+Thin+Air) kills that theory. I'm still thinking that we may be seeing 2-part stories throughout the series' run, but I don't guess the two connected books will be released on the same date. Book #3 The Vanishing Game is scheduled to release on June 4, 2013, but book #4 Into Thin Air is not scheduled for release until October 22, 2013.
            With a bundle set of the first four books releasing November 12, 2013- I'm doubtful that any more books will get released for the series before the end of the year. So that means we have four releases for the series in its first year- that's not too bad. Still a lot better than the UB release records for the last year or two of its run. I think maybe S&S is just trying to be cautious now in its releases and see how the series does before running it full steam- which seems to make sense with a series that is trying to revive interest in The Hardy Boys after things kinda ran into the ground with the Undercover Brothers books.
It was definitely nice to have the series start off with a bang with the first two books getting released on the same day though. And it looks like this year we are getting books at a little over three months time span interval. It will be interesting to see how things pick up steam by next year and if we get back to a steady release rate like what the Casefiles and Digests had at one point where we could expect a new book every month or at least every other month or so.
     
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Judah-Ben-Hur on February 05, 2013, 07:48:43 PM
^ I wonder if that's also a quality issue? One of my complaints have always been that the UB came out so often that the series was suffering from the inability for the ghost writers to catch up with themselves. Trilogies with books written by  seemingly different authors, who aren't always on the same page as one another, and the continuity issues. Maybe this was more noticeable with the Girl Detective series, where Nancy travels to (I think it's Costa Rica ) for "The First time" in three separate books, among other things. The longer periods allow for more time and research, and considering we'll probably have more than one writer , this will probably be a good thing.

What I'm dying to know is if there will be a box set for Nancy Drew, and will it be hardback?
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: SkyWarp on February 06, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: Judah-Ben-Hur on February 05, 2013, 07:48:43 PM
...One of my complaints have always been that the UB came out so often that the series was suffering from the inability for the ghost writers to catch up with themselves....

The Casefiles came out monthly for most of their run.  I do not think having a book every month does anything to the quality. 

If you only have a couple authors, or the authors are all new and just starting to write for children's series books, then I could see a problem.  My guess is they aren't paying enough to get really great authors, but then, the style of writing they want may be chasing good authors away too. 
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on February 06, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
QuoteI'm starting to get the impression that maybe this will be the standard going forward- like how the UB series gave us trilogies towards the latter end of the series, maybe this new HBA series will be doing 2-part mysteries throughout the series' run. (Which would also explain why two books were released at a time for the start of the series. I thought at first that it was just for the kickoff of the series, but now I'm thinking maybe this will be the norm for the run of the series. I guess we'll have to see if both books 3 and 4 also wind up having the same release date.)


Well, I guess that kills that theory. I'm still thinking that we may be seeing 2-part stories throughout the series' run, but I don't guess the two connected books will be released on the same date. Book #3 The Vanishing Game is scheduled to release on June 4, 2013, but book #4 Into Thin Air is not scheduled for release until October 22, 2013.
            With a bundle set of the first four books releasing November 12, 2013- I'm doubtful that any more books will get released for the series before the end of the year. So that means we have four releases for the series in its first year- that's not too bad. Still a lot better than the UB release records for the last year or two of its run. I think maybe S&S is just trying to be cautious now in its releases and see how the series does before running it full steam- which seems to make sense with a series that is trying to revive interest in The Hardy Boys after things kinda ran into the ground with the Undercover Brothers books.
It was definitely nice to have the series start off with a bang with the first two books getting released on the same day though. And it looks like this year we are getting books at a little over three months time span interval. It will be interesting to see how things pick up steam by next year and if we get back to a steady release rate like what the Casefiles and Digests had at one point where we could expect a new book every month or at least every other month or so.
     

Remember what I was saying about all this up here?
Well, the "Hardy Boys Adventures" series may not be publishing in that 2 on the same day pace, but it looks the "Nancy Drew Diaries" series might be doing that. The next two titles, Mystery of the Midnight Rider (http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Midnight-Rider-Nancy-Diaries/dp/1442478616/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_2), and Once Upon A Thriller (http://www.amazon.com/Once-Upon-Thriller-Nancy-Diaries/dp/144246612X/ref=pd_sim_b_1) are both scheduled for release on May 7, 2013. Interesting......
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Lungbarrow on February 20, 2013, 05:25:51 AM
Once Upon a Thriller has now changed to September.
The release dates for year 1 of these two series now stand at:

February 5th:
Nancy Drew Diaries 1: Curse of the Arctic Star
Nancy Drew Diaries 2: Strangers on a Train
Hardy Boys Adventures 1: Secret of the Red Arrow
Hardy Boys Adventures 2: Mystery of the Phantom Heist

May 7th:
Nancy Drew Diaries 3: Mystery of the Midnight Rider

June 4th:
Hardy Boys Adventures 3: The Vanishing Game

September 24th:
Nancy Drew Diaries 4: Once Upon a Thriller

October 22nd:
Hardy Boys Adventures 4: Into Thin Air

If I was trying to read a pattern into that, I'd say we'll get one release every four months with the Hardy Boys Adventures release one month after the Nancy Drew Diaries one. I suspect the Hardy Boys Secret Files and Nancy Drew and the Clue Crew ones will take up the remaining months of the year giving one Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew release a month... and a quick look at amazon confirms this!

I suspect we'll see releases in this format in future:

Nancy Drew Diaries: January, May, September
Hardy Boys Adventures: February, June, October
Nancy Drew and the Clue Crew: March, July, November
The Hardy Boys Secret Files: April, August, December

Disclaimer: all of the above is speculation! :D I know there are people in the book trade who have knowledge like this in advance but I'm not one of them, I'm just extrapolating from Amazon entries.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on February 20, 2013, 07:50:09 AM
Thanks for the update, Lungbarrow. And your speculation sounds pretty sound. We'll just have to see how it plays out, but if it works out to be a schedule like that, I think that would be pretty comfortable for me.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Bigfootman on April 16, 2013, 07:58:43 PM
Plot summery from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Hardy-Boys-Adventures/dp/1442459832/ref=pd_sim_b_7
"When the daughter of an amusement-park owner goes missing, it?s anything but fun and games in this Hardy Boys adventure?a new take on the classic series.
Daisy Rodriguez is missing. Just like that, gone without a trace. Her father, Hector Rodriguez?owner of Funspot, Bayport?s local amusement park?is frantic. He feels he?s to blame, since Funspot was recently the location of another disappearance. Could Daisy?s vanishing be somehow connected? Joe and Frank Hardy figured out the first Funspot mystery and are up to their necks in this one, too. Daisy doesn?t seem to have an enemy in the world; no one has a bad word to say about her. So who in Bayport wants this girl gone?"
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on April 16, 2013, 10:25:29 PM
Don't tell me that they are hitting the multi-part story arc button again!  It sounds like the story arc from #79 Sky Sabotage and #85 "The Skyfire Puzzle, but that arc had a few stand-alones in between.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on April 17, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Thanks for the update on the plot summary, Dan.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on April 29, 2013, 08:41:54 AM
The cover art for the boxed set of the first 4 books is now available at Amazon's site (http://www.amazon.com/Hardy-Boys-Adventures-Mystery-Vanishing/dp/1442488972/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367242603&sr=1-3&keywords=The+Hardy+Boys).
It uses the cover art from the first book for at least one side of the box. Looks pretty cool! :) 8)

Also, the cover art for the fourth title, Into Thin Air, is now up on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Hardy-Boys-Adventures/dp/1442459832/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_5) as well.
I like the cover art- it's a pretty classic scenario that the Hardy Boys have run into a number of times in their adventures and mysteries.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on April 29, 2013, 04:50:12 PM
Haven't seen a cover like Thin Air's since the early 90's!  Nice!
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: kosmicdust on April 30, 2013, 07:30:49 AM
Into Thin Air:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61xmOyfMcYL._SL1000_.jpg

1-4 Boxed Set:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y2ID18wjL._SL1000_.jpg
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on April 30, 2013, 08:17:00 AM
I hope the stories will incorporate as many classic Hardy Boys elements as the covers have been as of recent. You can really see how they seem to be taking inspiration from earlier covers from the original series. :) 8)
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: VLoneWolf on April 30, 2013, 04:12:19 PM
It sounds like a good idea to include classic stuff in the book covers
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on April 30, 2013, 05:33:35 PM
The cover for Thin Air has been reminding of the 1993 Armada cover of "The Secret Of The Old Mill".
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on May 01, 2013, 09:20:45 AM
Yeah, I can definitely see that.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on May 01, 2013, 09:37:09 AM
It also looks reminiscent of The Demolition Mission and The Lure of the Italian Treasure (#112 and #157 in the original series, respectively). But it's mainly just that scenario of the Hardy Boys being run off the road- that part is classic Hardy Boys adventure and mystery to me- I know I've read that happening a large number of times throughout the various series......
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Judah-Ben-Hur on May 02, 2013, 06:09:42 PM
I've guessing by the looks of it that the box set is just paperbacks...  :P
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on May 02, 2013, 08:25:48 PM
Probably so... but it's possible there could be a hardback box set put out too....
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Lungbarrow on May 03, 2013, 06:04:57 AM
The Simon and Schuster website only mentions the box set as being available in paperback (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Hardy-Boys-Adventures/Franklin-W-Dixon/Hardy-Boys-Adventures/9781442488977) at the moment.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Judah-Ben-Hur on May 03, 2013, 07:42:22 AM
Phooey. Thank guys.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on May 03, 2013, 09:27:48 AM
Ah- there's the official word then. Oh well- a paperback boxed set is still nice too. But I guess if you strictly wanted a hardback set, yeah- that's too bad. I know Simon & Schuster has done a boxed set in recent years of the first few Grossett & Dunlap titles (i.e. The Tower Treasure through The Shore Road Mystery I believe, all revised text of course. I'm pretty sure Applewood put out a boxed set of hardbacks with perhaps that same listing of titles or maybe it was a few more and those are the original text reprints at that!)
      I'm thinking maybe there was a set like this done for the Wanderer hardbacks?.......
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Judah-Ben-Hur on May 03, 2013, 07:10:46 PM
Wanderer did Paperback box sets (not unlike the ones UB/GD did) for both Nancy Drew and the Hardys but I've never seen an example in hardback. I was under the impression the hardbacks were sold similarly in the same fashion the current series is (special order/library only).
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on May 03, 2013, 09:06:58 PM
The box sets for the first six hardcover books have been put out by Grosset & Dunlap with little to no input from Simon & Schuster.  As far as I'm aware, as long as G&D don't touch the covers or story, S&S couldn't care less how the books are sold.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Judah-Ben-Hur on May 04, 2013, 07:00:53 AM
That's probably why the Flashlight book haven't changed in appearance since they removed those ugly amulet endpapers since the late 80s. S&S would have to approve any big changes or special works. That doesn't mean it won't happen, publishing digests under the flashlight binding, The double volume sets, the 'BEST OF' 3-in-1 sets from a few years back, the brief change of cover texture on flashlights, and Old Clock's usual anniversary editions are all new changes within the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: SkyWarp on October 25, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
I notice my "Into Thin Air" book mistakenly says that the first Aladdin paperback edition was October 2103 (instead of 2013). Everyone else's say the same thing?
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on October 26, 2013, 01:14:38 PM
Whoa! This is heavy, Doc! :)  8)
Lol- haven't seen that. I haven't bought a copy yet- maybe I will do that today. Maybe I can also get a copy Doc Brown and Marty McFly brought back from the future!   ;D
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 26, 2013, 06:31:55 PM
My copies of both hardcover and paperback are still on order.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: kosmicdust on October 26, 2013, 08:58:58 PM
Same here.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on October 27, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
I got a copy the other day and it had the same misprint.  All the copies at the bookstore had it. Maybe it'll get fixed when the book gets reprinted- and make these copies rare collector's copies! Lol :) ;)
   
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on October 28, 2013, 09:02:53 AM
Here's one other thing I've noticed- did everyone see how short this book is? It's just so thin compared to the other books. Amazon.com lists its page length as 129, but I think that's including a preview for the next book. If I recall correctly, I think the actual story in this book only ran for a little over 100 pages. Maybe things will reverse with the next few books and maybe this isn't anything to be concerned about. I just happened to notice that since the first book, the page length has gone a little down with each subsequent book. Of course, Amazon.com's listing says the fifth book is supposed to be 160 pages long, so if that's true- I guess that will indeed reverse this trend. It was just interesting to me to note.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on October 29, 2013, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: SkyWarp on October 25, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
I notice my "Into Thin Air" book mistakenly says that the first Aladdin paperback edition was October 2103 (instead of 2013). Everyone else's say the same thing?

And it's in the ebook edition, too, Skywarp, for some reason it says "Hardcover edition October 2103" ??? Wonder if the G-Force ride had anything to do with throwing the copyright date into the future like that. :D
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 29, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
I wonder if Doc and Marty got a hold of it first.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on October 30, 2013, 10:34:49 PM
I just got my hardcover copy today.  The error's in there (although the text and cover art copyrights say 2013), so someone must've typed the date wrong and just copy and pasted the page, but just changed it he "hardcover" and "paperback" words.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: Hardy Sleuth on October 31, 2013, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: tomswift2002 on October 30, 2013, 10:34:49 PM
I just got my hardcover copy today.  The error's in there (although the text and cover art copyrights say 2013), so someone must've typed the date wrong and just copy and pasted the page, but just changed it he "hardcover" and "paperback" words.

Interesting. Hey, that's cool you got the hardcover, do you have all of the Hardy Boys Adventures like that now? That has to look really nice. 8)
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on November 04, 2013, 04:24:30 PM
I just finished the book.  I'm giving the book a 3.0 out of 5, since at 109 pages, the story was way to short.  "the Vanishing Game" and "Into Thin Air" should've just been one book.  Also, I didn't like how the author re-used the tired "person who hired the boys is the criminal"; I didn't like it in "The Masked Monkey" or "The Stone Idol", and I didn't enjoy it with this book.  Plus the author left a couple of threads hanging with no resolutio (such as the red arrow mark on the principal's name plate).  Otherwise I enjoyed how the author kept dropping red herrings.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on November 05, 2013, 08:08:10 AM
The red arrow thing sounds like it's going to be a recurring thing throughout this book series...
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: tomswift2002 on November 06, 2013, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: MacGyver on November 05, 2013, 08:08:10 AM
The red arrow thing sounds like it's going to be a recurring thing throughout this book series...

Hopefully it actually turns into something, and doesn't turn into a running joke.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on November 07, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
yeah- definitely.
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on December 18, 2013, 11:35:39 PM
WHOA! Just noticed something awesome on page 102. Note that this is Chapter 14, "Trapped"- and it's Joe's chapter. And on page 102, in the course of his narration, he uses a classic Joe Hardy catchphrase- from the 1970s The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries show! The classic line Joe used a good bit on that show- "Not to put too fine a point on it." I guess it could be coincidence, but I think that may be a direct reference to the show on the part of the ghostwriter. Anyway- it's cool to see in any case. :) 8)
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: VLoneWolf on December 19, 2013, 01:54:44 PM
That's a really cool catch phrase to include. It may mean the ghost writer is a fan of the Hardy Boys. 
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: kosmicdust on February 11, 2015, 12:19:26 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QJZ1HrK-Zls/UpDksVUglWI/AAAAAAAABGE/1qxT3zDPKEA/s1600/HB_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Hardy Boys Adventures #4 Into Thin Air
Post by: MacGyver on February 15, 2015, 03:29:19 PM
Cool- this was a great one too. :)